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baggygreen 04-26-07 06:21 AM

I've heard the same story - i think there is exaggeration to it, but its a good one!

Skybird... who the hell is denmark and hollands enemies these days?? no more tanks through the fulda gap (sp?)...

Oberon 04-26-07 06:26 AM

So....what happened with the Challenger II that got breached a few weeks back? What sort of shaped charges are the militants using now? And how do they deploy them? Is it a hidden charge in a box or something along a well patrolled route and remotely detonated?

Skybird 04-26-07 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk
Holycrap Skybird.:o

You wanna just write an essay and let Tom Clancy mark it?:cool:
You know alot about tanks, and you're not just a homer either. You got your bases covered.:yep:

How do you answer that essay?

I am no pro. I just spend some years listening in places where real tankers talk. ;)

Skybird 04-26-07 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen
I've heard the same story - i think there is exaggeration to it, but its a good one!

Skybird... who the hell is denmark and hollands enemies these days??

Vehicles considered to be hostile: :D
http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/...9&d=1177293643
(black spots: most vulnerable spots, grey squares: engine compartements)

gnirtS 04-26-07 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon
So....what happened with the Challenger II that got breached a few weeks back? What sort of shaped charges are the militants using now? And how do they deploy them? Is it a hidden charge in a box or something along a well patrolled route and remotely detonated?

Daisy chained artillery shells, 6 i believe.

You dont need shaped charges if you have a big enough bomb.


Detonation is sometimes electronic triggered but more often than not its manual detonated via a long wire and the people doing it retreat under the confusion.

I-25 04-26-07 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum
Reactive armor only works well against low-velocity, high-explosive ammunition such as shaped charges. (AFAIK)
Reactive armor is slowly becomeing a thing of the past as it is replaced by new physical and electronic armors.

Quote:

The effectiveness of Kontakt-5 ERA was confirmed by tests run by the German Bundeswehr and the US Army. The Germans confirmed that in tests, the K-5, mounted on older T-72 tanks, 'shattered' their 120mm DM-53 penetrators, and in the US, Jane's IDR's Pentagon correspondent Leland Ness confirmed that "When fitted to T-72 tanks, the 'heavy' ERA made them immune to the DU penetrators of M829 APFSDS, fired by the 120 mm guns of the US M1 Abrams tanks"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakt-5

Heibges 04-26-07 01:04 PM

The true capabilities of US, and what the US knows about Russian ammunition is Top Secret.

tycho102 04-26-07 01:38 PM

That's an interesting idea. There is also work on a capicator system that uses a current surge to vaporize the metal penetrator.

Don't know about the original story, though. Sounds like there is some bs in there.

HM.Medico 04-26-07 03:29 PM

Sounds like BS to me, A SABOT shell, point blank, would blow anything to hell. Hands Down.

bradclark1 04-26-07 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen
i think there is exaggeration to it.....

Just a little.......

baggygreen 04-26-07 07:05 PM

But thats what makes a good story:D :D

ASWnut101 04-27-07 06:15 PM

*straying off topic*

I always thought that the M1's had Reactive Armor only. Did they change it or has it (The other stuff) always been there?

Tchocky 04-27-07 06:25 PM

US Army doesnt go in for reactive armour, as far as I know. They use Chobham (a kind of applique) on the M1

I could be very wrong here

fatty 04-27-07 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
*straying off topic*

I always thought that the M1's had Reactive Armor only. Did they change it or has it (The other stuff) always been there?

Chobham has been around longer than the M1, so I don't think it was changed.

TUSK does add some reactive armour to the skirt.

SUBMAN1 04-27-07 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fatty
Quote:

Originally Posted by ASWnut101
*straying off topic*

I always thought that the M1's had Reactive Armor only. Did they change it or has it (The other stuff) always been there?

Chobham has been around longer than the M1, so I don't think it was changed.

TUSK does add some reactive armour to the skirt.

Yep - I've heard for city fighting, they have added a reactive skirt to the M1. Not sure if it is in the field yet though. It is just an added layer of protection.

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