Probex - if you get a chance, it would be good if you could figure out how to get whatever this transparency/background thing is that doesn't slide back when the book does to go ahead and slide back - I've noticed that it seems to be interfering with the functionality of the PK/torpedo settings panel (can't seem to click on stuff while the book is slid back, but can if the book is actually closed with the "N" key).

I'll try taking another look too - it's great to have the book slide but it's kinda annoying when you have to close it anyway to click stuff underneath it :cry:

It is probably interfering with the torp panel because you moved it to the top left from the bottom left.

I am not the originator of this mod, I only repackaged it to make a stand alone version. At the moment I am working on a 16km visibility mod, but I will try to see what can be done in the future.



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Well, I'll try moving it back down again, but I think that's just going to make it interfere with the bottom part of the panel instead of the top part - it appears to bascially "overlay" whatever else is underneath it so that even when it slides back it acts like it's still out there and won't let you click on anything "underneath" it, unless you close/remove the book entirely by hitting the "N" key, which then allows you to click on the stuff that was underneath it again. I tried adding the "horizslide" line to various other sections that seemed like they might matter, but to no avail. Gonna have to sleep on this one - I'm out of ideas at the moment.

I noticed that the sliding retro nav map tools mod (putting tools back up in top right corner like in SH3) also seems to suffer this same problem with having the invisible buttons remain active in the "slid out" locations despite the tool bar itself sliding up out of the way, so I'm not sure if there's a fix for this or not - sure hope so though 'cause you really need to be able to use the TDC and leave the book open if this is gonna be much use. Maybe the devs can just fix the book in the next patch so it will re-open to the last page you were on - that would probably solve the problem without needing to slide the book at all.

Yep - I moved it back down, and it just interfered with the lower TDC panel functions instead of the upper ones. Tried a few other hunches, but no luck so far. Any idea what the "needfocus" or "selone" lines do? Any idea what it is that makes some items be "behind"/underneath others (like the message log is underneath/covered up by the bottom toolbar)? I haven't even found the section of the .ini file yet that seems to relate to the background/transparency and the "phantom" next and previous buttons, and when/if I find it I'm not sure what to do with/about it, but I'm still slogging away at it.

Any suggestions anyone?

My suggestion is... hmmm.. GREAT JOB! You are a driven man :up:



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Anyone ever think about revisiting this issue?

I wish someone would - my muse has deserted me and I've run out of ideas for now. It's obvious that you can move this phantom background around, because when I moved the manual up to get it out of the way of the pull-tab on the TDC, the phantom background/buttons went with it, BUT I've tried to chart it out and lots of trial-and-error, and still no luck getting the phantom background to slide back out of the way when the rest of the book does - very frustrating 'cause you have to close the book in order to set your torpedo dials, which defeats the purpose of having the book open so you don't lose your place :damn:

Actually, I've realized I am not having this problem. I'm using the straight Stand alone slide out mod.

What I am realizing from your screenshot on the previous page, is you must have enlargened your rec manual. Mine is not that tall, and it fits underneath the position keeper, therefore there is no conflict with the buttons.

Hmmm - what resolution are you running? I didn't enlarge my manual, BUT, I am running 1024x768, and I think I may have just used Probex's recog manual tweaks instead of his entire mod (I'm thinking maybe the other parts of the mod may have shrunk up the PK so it would be out of the way of the manual).

Since I have a heavily altered menu_1024_768.ini file, I couldn't use the file in the mod, and was trying to make only the changes I needed to get the manual to slide (especially since I figured I could move the manual up on the screen and get it out of the PK's way that way, before I realized the phantom background was gonna be a problem). Guess maybe I'll have to try making all of the mod's changes and see if that does the trick - seems like the PK would have to get a lot smaller though for there to be room underneath it but still above all the other buttons and stuff on the bottom toolbar.

I included a separate directory for 1024x768 users in the mod, just so that it wouldn't interfere with anything.



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Cool - must have missed that first time around - I'll take another look at it and see if that does the trick. Thanks

Well - that didn't work :cry:

Just made all the changes to the menu_1024_768.ini file that were in the 1024x768 version of the mod, but the manual still overlaps the TDC and interferes with the buttons/functions (just at the bottom, instead of at the top like where I had moved it).

I did notice some changes in a section I don't remember seeing before, so I'm gonna go back and play around with those sections a little bit and see if that helps.

You guys do realise that all you need to do is click on the area where the recog manual would normally slide out and it will pop open to where you last left it. Just click to open and click to close.

I dont know if it works in stock but I do it all the time since I loaded RFB 1.28. :up:

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Well, that's the problem - the book slides in and out, and keeps it place just fine as long as it's "open" (i.e., activated, even if it's slid off screen), BUT it leaves traces (a transparent/phantom background that still has invisible button functionality) still out on the screen even after it slides back off screen - it's that phantom background that overlays the TDC (or anything else underneath it) and prevents you from clicking on any of the underlying TDC buttons/dials. Therefore, even though you can see them and the book looks like it's out of the way, you still have to "close" the book (with the "N" key) in order to be able to use the TDC - and once you close the book that way, it loses its place so it's not on the page you want when you "open" it again with the "N" key.

I tried playing around with one of the other sections I noticed, but so far no luck. Any ideas still welcome - (either about how to move the background out of the way, or otherwise fix the manual so it opens up on the same page you were on when you closed it last) - any suggestions?

panthercules, I'm running at 1680 x 1050