Where on earth did you get that assumption from? Not from here. Politics and religion are about the top two topics on this board. Granted there are a few of us (about 4 ) that can't hang and go into auto but the other three of us will openly discuss the issues. :lol:
If it's just a USA bashing thread then...........:stare:

How modern conservatists think.
























(notice the empty space?)

Real nice. Couldn't have said it better my self.:roll:

Clever. But it is that under-estimation which is liberal's greatest enemy and conservative's greatest strength.

:lol: What are you, yoda? ;)

I think you'll find it's the left who have been under-estimated. Hence, again, the election? The approval ratings? The lack of a viable candiadate for '08 from the right? (if Guliani is your saviour, you need savin')

If anything, the right is learning that it cant just spend an entire 8 years rubber stamping bad policy as if the American people wont notice, and believe me, the day before the Nov elections, they thought they could. Even Bush called it a "Thumping". Again, I can only assume that the endless attacks on liberals from the right is based on nothing more than the above facts, which ultimatly make your views those of a minority in this country that has been kicked out of office, and will continue to be kicked out of office come '08. There isnt exactly a long and distinguished list of accomplishments from this administration and the Republican congress. When you lack ammunition , you resort to blanket insulting statements about the entire party that disagrees with you. But hey, it's your time to waste(gate).

I think what is trying to be described above is that the liberal mind seems to want to have the perfect world. That is its biggest crutch too, since the perfect world is an impossibility to achieve in an imperfect world. So the 14 year old mind sort of applies I would think since it fails to deal with the reality of an adult mind. Not trying to get you upset here, but I am typing this as I try to understand the author and understand how he/she comes to the conclusions presented.

-S

You are doning the same thing you are accusing me of Enigma.

I have only one Savior and that man is not him. Beyond that the mayor is a Republican but hardly a conservative. I made up my mind concerning the good mayor long ago.

Wheres the part where I made generalized insulting statements toward an entire political party and the entire right minded population? I stated a few facts. (election results, mood swing of the poulation, poor performance and low approval ratings.) You questioned the patriotism of every liberal American, accused all liberals of promoting 9/11 as an inside job, and calling the President Hitler.

I'm doing the same thing im accusing you of? Not even close. But I appreciate you allowing me to point that out, as it clearly solidifies my point here.

**EDIT: My apologies, it was Sea Demon who made those accusations. It toally got you two confused....

...hence the "If". ;)

Then I count you for the one of the stand up guys.

fight fire with fire?

Please play nice kids, I posted the video to inspire conscientous debate. Not mud-slinging.

As far as I can see, Subman seems to be the only one catching onto the point of this thread.

The left had to resort to more conservative candidates (ala Jim Webb) to win the small majority they now have. They had to find people who agree with guys like me regarding 2nd amendment issues and such to win. Not to mention they fired up their own leeft-wing base by promising things they cannot deliver, and will not deliver. In fact, the tiny Democrat majority is impotent (fortunately).

In regards to the other stuff, I just say let your own conscious be your guide. When you root for a party that openly seems hostile to our own military, and our own war effort, I wonder how you can do that in good faith. What.........for political opportunities? Are you that afraid of tax-cuts? Do you HATE one man (GW Bush) so much as to want failure for your own country? (Not you in general, but many liberals for sure). I am not calling you unpatriotic. But the Democratic party establishment certainly is. And I never let liberals get away with redefining terms such as "patriotism" to support their weird agendas. I'm sure you think "Abortion on demand" is pro-child and pro-family......right? :roll: I've heard that one many times before, and it's just as stupid as can be.

Ehh, what can I say. I completely disagree with you. The redefining of patriotism came straight from the mouth's of this administration and those who choose to follow the party line talking points.

Regardless of the who's, why's and whats, ...The Dems now run congress. Why? Because by and large, this country thinks that the leadership and execution of the Iraq war was, at best, pathetic. They will win the white house in '08 for those very same reasons. (Katrina, in my humble opinion, also had a huge impact on the amount of defections to the apparently unpatriotic hating america side)

As far as impotence, we have a President prepared to sit on his thumbs and and band aid this disaster in Iraq for the next administration to handle it. We have a lame duck, impotent administration.

Hating Bush (Which I do not) does NOT equal wanting the country to fail.

Wanting to prevent the unneccesary deaths of American troops, and proposing alternate plans, and a way OUt of iraq, (Something the right has completely failed to do in any length or measure) Does not make the party hostile to the military.

The opposition of the current administrations plans and agendas with regard to Iraq, especially when such plans and agendas have failed miserably, does not constitute a lack of patriotism. In fact, I think it constitutes quite the opposite.

These are the simple arguments that make me hit the wall when discussing politics with someone of these opinions. for you, there is no debate. The right is right, and the left is unpatriotic and hates America. If only I could manage to illustrate how utterly absurd an argument that is, I would. But, I think we all know where the other stands, and I dont see anyone coming around on this soon.

Something I feel you fail to realize, is that because people think Bush et al era incompetent, because people feel Americans die without reason in a war that is essentially a global cluster ****, because people feel strongly about America, what it stands for, what its about and where it should be, a large sector of the population wants to get the hell out of there. Why? They love America. They are patriots, and they feel that Bush has not done us, or our military the justice they deserve, as Americans.

....And I think my sig, by Mr Twain, says it all, really.