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1mPHUNit0 03-30-07 06:01 PM

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All the same disciplines used when firearms are involved
Ummm..i don't think so
Firearms changes Stability, Dinamics and so on..
Interior energy...against exterior ones

03-30-07 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1mPHUNit0
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All the same disciplines used when firearms are involved
Ummm..i don't think so

Shows how little you know about legitimate use of firearms and how much you depend upon criminal use of the same to form your opinion.

1mPHUNit0 03-30-07 06:08 PM

have you ever got a gun in your hands?
I have
Do you know how operate policemen?
Maybe trained maybe not

03-30-07 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1mPHUNit0
have you ever got a gun in your hands?
I have
Do you know how operate policemen?

Time for a new thread. I'll copy this to that thread and you can look in that thread.

Skybird 03-30-07 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
Thankfully I do both!;) Are we not sharpening our minds by helping others?

Another good one, from my chess trainer, nicknamed "Wolfi" :lol:. He used to say about chess:

"In einer gegebenen Stellung ist unter allen den Regeln nach möglichen Zügen derjenige Zug der beste Zug, der am meisten Ähnlichkeit mit einem Kopfschuss hat."

"In a given position, amongst all legally possible moves that move is the best move that shares the most similarity with a headshot."

Wo er recht hat, hat er recht! :lol:

ASWnut101 03-30-07 06:14 PM

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have you ever got a gun in your hands?
You've got to be joking... I'll let you handle it, Waste Gate


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Do you know how operate policemen?
"Operate" policemen? What, are they robots or something?

Hitman 03-30-07 06:17 PM

I see all of you approached martial arts that were also useful as self-defence. From what I read so far, you seem to be a really dangerous gang :lol: . My take was a bit different, as I never really thought of it as a way of self-defence in street fights or dire situations, but rather as a sport. Obviously, boxing is very limited as a fighting style, but in general I believe one of the best things you learn from practicing any martial art is to not get freezed by the first hit. When I started boxing and did some sparring for the first time, I realized how strange the feeling of geating beaten is. You really get freezed when you land a good blow, and can't help thinking "wow..this is serious...that DID hurt", which helps a lot in also taking the next two or three blows before you even noticed it:nope: . As time goes by, you overcome that feeling, and learn to keep doing what you should, no matter how much the previous blow did hurt. In a certain way, that concentration in what you must do helps a lot not feeling the pain. I don't know if those who have practiced martial arts but have not been engaged in real sparring or fighting can realize exactly what I'm saying, but those who have sure do understand me.

Ironically, in the few situations I have faced a real dire situation outside the club, what prevented me from hitting as hard as I could was the fear of how much damage I could cause. Having studed laws and knowing well how criminal courts respond, I had ral panic of breaking someone's nose or doing something even worser. In a real street fight, a normal person with a normal life, children, etc. has most to lose when compared with a criminal. That's the irony of our laws :damn: ....the intention of preventing any type of violence in society ends up leaving the average citizen nearly harmless...

Van Damme gave IMHO the correct answer. A wallet and yoru money is not worth getting shot, ripped or badly hurt....but it also isn't worth spending some months in jail or being trialed :stare:

1mPHUNit0 03-30-07 06:17 PM

The center it's very important
Who controls the center has much more dinamics
and much more spaces

Have you ever see a policeman
and peoples against him

But if the center it's blocked, then
space advantage it's not so important
and all depends on good pices against bad ones
But thats it's not all.

Skybird 03-30-07 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman
I see all of you approached martial arts that were also useful as self-defence. From what I read so far, you seem to be a really dangerous gang :lol: . My take was a bit different, as I never really thought of it as a way of self-defence in street fights or dire situations, but rather as a sport. Obviously, boxing is very limited as a fighting style, but in general I believe one of the best things you learn from practicing any martial art is to not get freezed by the first hit. When I started boxing and did some sparring for the first time, I realized how strange the feeling of geating beaten is. You really get freezed when you land a good blow, and can't help thinking "wow..this is serious...that DID hurt", which helps a lot in also taking the next two or three blows before you even noticed it:nope: . As time goes by, you overcome that feeling, and learn to keep doing what you should, no matter how much the previous blow did hurt. In a certain way, that concentration in what you must do helps a lot not feeling the pain. I don't know if those who have practiced martial arts but have not been engaged in real sparring or fighting can realize exactly what I'm saying, but those who have sure do understand me.

Ironically, in the few situations I have faced a real dire situation outside the club, what prevented me from hitting as hard as I could was the fear of how much damage I could cause. Having studed laws and knowing well how criminal courts respond, I had ral panic of breaking someone's nose or doing something even worser. In a real street fight, a normal person with a normal life, children, etc. has most to lose when compared with a criminal. That's the irony of our laws :damn: ....the intention of preventing any type of violence in society ends up leaving the average citizen nearly harmless...

Van Damme gave IMHO the correct answer. A wallet and yoru money is not worth getting shot, ripped or badly hurt....but it also isn't worth spending some months in jail or being trialed :stare:

I consider boxing technique as obviously inferior, because it is so much limited and the fighting style is regulated by rules, but the training is very well if you want to raise general constitution and fitness. If wishing to do it for sports only I would recommend the somewhat "robust", drill-like mental attitude that can be seen in disciplined Karate groups, paired with the physical training from boxing, which does a very good allrounder job. But I say that with caution - I neither did boxing, nor explicit Karate, its just an observer's private conclusion.

Hitman 03-30-07 06:37 PM

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I consider boxing technique as obviously inferior, because it is so much limited and the fighting style is regulated by rules
Certainly:yep: . It was also not meant to be a self-defence technique either, so no surprise on that.

In turn, I consider Muay Thai really a good technique for street-fighting and also a good sport (As long as deadly strikes are not involved, that is). Only I never have been good with my legs, so it was out of question for me :down:

Ishmael 03-30-07 06:44 PM

Tai Chi Chu'an, Aikido, Kendo & Iai-do. Skybird, have you ever tried to find out what smith made your Katana? There's a great book out by the appropriately named John Yamato called,"The Samurai Sword." In it, Yamato went through and cataloged virtually every Japanese swordsmith from Medieval times to the present day. Generally, the markings of the sword smiths & their testers is stamped on the tang of the blade. If you don't have a copy, I do & can look it up for you. I priced swords about 15 years ago at gun shows & found the price starts in the low thousands & goes up to the seven-figure range.

As for my martial arts sayings, there are two that i have. The first is a zen koan:

The sword of the true samurai lies, rusting, in it's scabbard.

The second comes from the Shin Jin Mei:

No love and no hatred, that is enough.
Understanding can come spontaneously clear,
Like daylight in a cave.

As you can guess, I have always been drawn to the Rinzai school.

1mPHUNit0 03-30-07 06:46 PM

Chess and Boxing
Very similar very complementary

Skybird 03-30-07 08:14 PM

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Tai Chi Chu'an, Aikido, Kendo & Iai-do. Skybird, have you ever tried to find out what smith made your Katana? There's a great book out by the appropriately named John Yamato called,"The Samurai Sword." In it, Yamato went through and cataloged virtually every Japanese swordsmith from Medieval times to the present day. Generally, the markings of the sword smiths & their testers is stamped on the tang of the blade. If you don't have a copy, I do & can look it up for you. I priced swords about 15 years ago at gun shows & found the price starts in the low thousands & goes up to the seven-figure range.

As for my martial arts sayings, there are two that i have. The first is a zen koan:

The sword of the true samurai lies, rusting, in it's scabbard.

The second comes from the Shin Jin Mei:

No love and no hatred, that is enough.
Understanding can come spontaneously clear,
Like daylight in a cave.

As you can guess, I have always been drawn to the Rinzai school.

A bit of Lin-Chi fan myself, yes. Straight and direct, no distraction. Cut! :lol: Like a sword strike. Like Wing Tsun.

The one sword I have is a blade made by a smith of the Yoshimichi school/clan/family, somewhere around the middle of the 17th century. that date means it must have been made by someone of the first or second generation of that family. That's what I was told by my mentor, and it has been in his family's possession for very long. I already know that it is precious, although not as precious as swords from the 15th and 16th century, and I would ask you to not post an estimation from your book, I don't want to raise that kind of attention. I would never sell it anyway. It was a gift, and so it can only be given to the next one as a gift as well. I took the place of my mentor's son in line, i think, who had to leave too early. The constellation is kind of a problem for me - I have no students, and wouldn't be able to teach the technical training anyway. Sometimes i think to find a worthy solution to this was the last test my mentor gave me. Or a desparate solution by himself, for he had no other family left. Maybe I should spend more attention on that first koan of yours. :D

The other sword is an industrial sword from the early or even pre-WW2 era that I once bought myself - for very stupid reasons, i think today, or better: for no real reasons at all. I never needed it and probably was stupid to do it, since I also have two ebony-wood swords for training.

The two metal swords are not in my household (I have only Japanese kitchen knifes at hand which also are lethal weapons :lol: ), but currently are safely locked away elsewhere. I admit that I do not do any caring work on them as often as one maybe should wish to do. Because of that I do not use the traditional Choji oil and mineral powders, but use an old alcalic German weapon oil that never developes resin, I described it in another thread one or two weeks ago. I check the swords at least twice a year. Both are in good shape. It is incredible how sharp the old one still is. One needs to see it in order to believe it. Only the grain has become a bit uneven, but one needs to look very sharp and needs to know what to look out for in order to see it.

CptSimFreak 03-30-07 10:03 PM

I played with Judo for about 1-2 years. IT was thought by one of the highest degree holders in USA...It think it was useful some things.....not for striking that's for sure.

Yahoshua 03-30-07 10:05 PM

"doesn't need more than an idiot to master a pistol at short range, and that is really bad." -Skybird


Contrary to popular opinion, you can figure out how to use a pistol and STILL miss at close range.

But it's very intriguing to hear yours and others' experiences and such, ignore the hiccup and continue on.


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