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August 02-15-07 09:42 PM

Geez if our radar sucks that bad against submarines i sure hope our sonar does better at tracking their aircraft...

fatty 02-15-07 09:54 PM

Couple of questions:
  • Why has this item appeared in only one news outlet, according to Google News?
  • Why does this lone outlet happen to be Israeli?
  • Why do a couple of blogs suggest that this outlet is of questionable quality?
  • Who is Nur Ali Shushkari, and why is the only instance of his name on Google in this single item?
  • Why is the commander of the ground forces commenting on the actions of a submarine crew?

Also of interest is that the symbol pictured there appears to be taken from the Wikipedia entry on the Revolutionary Guards, resized and compressed.

Come on guys, think critically before you start calling for blood.

Dowly 02-15-07 09:55 PM

Dont you worry about your technology. It wont help you against guerrilla warfare. :nope:

Bort 02-15-07 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
LMAO, american navy at its finest. all the problems these days revolves around one retarded child..... bush , too bad they didnt take a pic of it on the ship. message to U.S navy good luck with iran


Iran would be a pointy stick in the side of the U.S., which we would easily remove, if they tried to do a full scale war.:yep:

I wouldn't be quite so brash about an all out war against Iran. Of course the US will win, but Iran has a much more formidable military than Iraq did in 2003. Add that to the fact that the US military is already being stressed like stretch armstrong and any sizeable conflict with Iran could get very ugly.:huh:

Torpedo Fodder 02-15-07 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3
LMAO, american navy at its finest. all the problems these days revolves around one retarded child..... bush , too bad they didnt take a pic of it on the ship. message to U.S navy good luck with iran

Dude, the last time the Iranians tried to tangle with the US Navy, they got spanked. Go read about Operation Praying Mantis.

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thank you, but we wont lose kosovo unless u want world war 3, i mean think about it lol world war 1: caused by serbia :arrgh!: world war 3 (dpeneding on UN decision) : caused by albanians illegally migrating to my country to take over land, Ask avon lady for links she an prove to u how kosovo shud stick with serbia, or we let them split and cause a nuclear holocaust.:hmm:
Don't be an idiot. Which major nuclear power is going to start a nuclear conflict over Kosovo? The Russians are closer to Serbia than any other nuclear power, and they certainly won't.

flintlock 02-15-07 10:50 PM

To the story in the linked article that the OP provided: I'll believe it when I see it (credible source or otherwise).

The Avon Lady 02-16-07 12:25 AM

Grain of salt.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1858/saltwt9.jpg

flintlock 02-16-07 12:28 AM

Yeah, that's about the appropriate size too.

August 02-16-07 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bort
I wouldn't be quite so brash about an all out war against Iran. Of course the US will win, but Iran has a much more formidable military than Iraq did in 2003. Add that to the fact that the US military is already being stressed like stretch armstrong and any sizeable conflict with Iran could get very ugly.:huh:

Well it's never wise to be overconfident but on the other hand the US Military is almost completely made up of highly trained and motivated combat veterans whose organization, unit tactics and equipment is both battle tested and top notch. That too should not be underestimated.

Bort 02-16-07 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Bort
I wouldn't be quite so brash about an all out war against Iran. Of course the US will win, but Iran has a much more formidable military than Iraq did in 2003. Add that to the fact that the US military is already being stressed like stretch armstrong and any sizeable conflict with Iran could get very ugly.:huh:

Well it's never wise to be overconfident but on the other hand the US Military is almost completely made up of highly trained and motivated combat veterans whose organization, unit tactics and equipment is both battle tested and top notch. That too should not be underestimated.

I'm not underestimating the US military at all, I'm more concerned with the politicians throwing the switches. As we have seen in the past, they like to dive head first into these sorts of things without testing the depth of the pool first...

August 02-16-07 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bort
I'm more concerned with the politicians throwing the switches. As we have seen in the past, they like to dive head first into these sorts of things without testing the depth of the pool first...

Very true but I think that war with Iran will be something for the next administration to pursue (or not), but certainly not this ones. Short of Iran detonating a nuke in Times Square there is no way the present Congress would authorize any request by this administration for a war against them, or anyone else for that matter.

Konovalov 02-16-07 05:27 AM

Such a report doesn't even deserve a thread. Baghdad Bob must be jealous of such spin. :lol:

Skybird 02-16-07 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by August
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Originally Posted by Bort
I wouldn't be quite so brash about an all out war against Iran. Of course the US will win, but Iran has a much more formidable military than Iraq did in 2003. Add that to the fact that the US military is already being stressed like stretch armstrong and any sizeable conflict with Iran could get very ugly.:huh:

Well it's never wise to be overconfident but on the other hand the US Military is almost completely made up of highly trained and motivated combat veterans whose organization, unit tactics and equipment is both battle tested and top notch. That too should not be underestimated.

You are not dealing with an equal enemy who plays to your defined rules. The revolutionary guards are fanatics. Religiously highly motivated fanatics of a considerably higher degree of ruthlessness and unscrupleousness than the usual army- and that should also not be underestimated. The army fears them. They compare to the SS and GeStaPo in Nazi Germany,, but have more far-leading authority and permissions and even interfere with the legislative and "interpret" it. They run their own special air force and special navy units (someone asked why the RG made a claim concerning an navy operation). I had the chance to observe some of their officers repeatedly while staying in Iran, they were from their internal secret police or bodyguards for other representitives who got interviewed, and often shadowed our team. I will not comment on their fighting capabilties, but there certainly was a very tremendous difference between the attitude by which they approached their duties, and the usual big-mouth-small-hands-guys these countries are so crowded with. They are driven by religious rage, but it is an icy-cold one, if I may use some poetry here. We usually were on high alert when having to deal with revolutionary guards. Residents in Teheran have a saying, btw., it compares the memory of revolutionary guards to that of an elephant. Say something that makes them your enemy, and they will never forget, and claim their revenge later, if given a second chance. I don't want to overrate the military efficiency of Iran, but it seems that many Americans still have not learned from the asymmetrical war in Iraq, and still practice the old habit of underestimating an enemy, and with enthusiasm so. The US society, and Europe, is far more vuölnerable to Iranian retaliation, than Iran is likely to submit to military pressure, or "collapse". In a war, the US victory is uncertain, at best, as long as victory is not defined as destruction of their program and using nuclear weapons for that. This scenario is extremely pricey, and any other scenario is infantile self-deception. Anothzer major difference to Iraq: the population of Iraq is not nationally united, but a bunch of diffrent ethnicities and beliefs thrown together in the same pot. Iranians are mainoly one people, with a very high sense of national pride. No matter if they like the mullah regime or not, if it comes to war they will stand united and determined to resist. They are as patriotic as conservative Americans use to be. I would also say that the average urban Iranian living in one of the major cities is better educated and of modest reason than mopst other people in Arab and ME-countries. That'S the difference between Arabs and Persians. Arabs talk, eternally, but Persians eventually also act. - I still tend to doubt that craving-thing, btw. But imagining it put a smile on my face. It surely would have been a coup.

Dowly 02-16-07 07:41 AM

Bravo Skybird. http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6392/clap2fz2.gif

Abd_von_Mumit 02-16-07 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
That'S the difference between Arabs and Persians. Arabs talk, eternally, but Persians eventually also act.

If not that single pass that makes me vomit because of its xenophobic and superstitious message, I'd say your post is really good (a bit surprising, isn't it?).

As to the carve — is it enough for you 'hawks' here that someone carves a sign on a ship to rage war against him? "I don't like the guy, he scratched my bike that I left by his house! Let's bomb him, his family and whole the *** country! Oh yes, lets have fun!".

Remember, there are PEOPLE there, not monkeys, not rats nor cockroaches. Seventy million of human beings that wish to live in peace, not die of anyone's bombs. These people live in fear, because a military empire from somewhere in the world wants to tell them how to live, how to manage their country. This empire has allready invaded a neighbouring country (in fact two, if we count Afghanistan), gathered a huge naval force close to Iran's boarder and people from it's government talk to TV/press about "considering/not considering attack" like it was a Sunday morning walk. Wouldn't YOU be affraid?

Has Iran attacked anyone? Did they launch a missile againt any other peace-loving country? You'll tell "they support terrorism". Is it true or not (but also don't forget the year 1953 in Iran and American involvement), there are OTHER MEANS of reacting. War is not an option a civilised man would consider. Or is it? Or maybe the definition of "Western civilisation" has changed, while I was in the toilet?

Best regards!


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