Well either way I'm sure that whatever the GWX crew do it's for the best. :yep:

And irish that's partly true
:rotfl:

Thanks for the work around!

Glad to see this issue is being addressed.

One question:
How far away is far enough? 50 kilometers, the auto-return to port distance? Or further?

I personally don't save while I'm within 300km of any scripted vessels. (read port traffic). This is probably overkill however, I would rather do that than return to port and see this bug.

Stupid question here....so while on patrol and its time to get back to Real Life...what is your procedure for shutting down SH3. I have SH3+1.4b+GWX1.02+SH3 Commander.

Wilcke

I make sure there are no enemy or neutral or friendly...oh, heck NO ships anywhere in sight, and just save the thing. I've never had a problem doing that.

And never save submerged either:up:

I have saved submerged many times even with Destroyers close by and have been lucky not to experience any bugs, thats not to say that don't exist of course and I do try to avoid saving whilst submerged just in case these bugs rear their ugly head. Never saved close to port though.

Nemo

I would like to add a little info here:
In my own modding, I have added a few ships docked in Kiel (for eye candy reasons!)
When I'm returning from patrol, following my navigated route through the North Sea and Kieler Kanal, then last place I save before entering Kiel or the Kieler Kanal, is in the middle of the North Sea, which should be pretty much enough long way from docked traffic in ports!
Back in Kiel, I have seen this phenomenon too, with both the scripted GWX ships plus my own scripted ships. However, in 3D the ships are halfway sunk/deck awash, but on the map (F5), they still exist as floating above water line! :huh:

So I wonder about two things:
Is it at all a problem in campaign_SCR? Or elsewhere?
Does this only happen in Kiel? I usually play from Kiel always, so I wonder if anyone normally playing from Wilhelmshaven could confirm, if it happens there as well...

It happens anywhere

Have run numerous tests lately

Try attacking a convoy then breaking off
Sail at least 50 km away from that convoy then attack it again
Then you will see the same as is noticed at Kiel

The liners are among the worst and are not even in the convoy when you return
They are usually some distance behind at low or 0 speed half submerged

The problem started with stock in some ships and as those ships have been used for building new ones the problem has carried over , some of the changes made by GWX seem to make the problem more noticable too

This is a stock T3 in the stock game under the same test conditions

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3...nter277rg9.jpg

The longer the time between first and second contact the lower the ships sink

The small merc and tramp steamer are fine
The tug and trawler arent
Varies with ships

Hmmm, the Stock T2 & T3 tankers are scripted to be low or high in the water depending how much oil she's carrying. Pay attention to the Captain's log and a low water line Tanker will show more tonnage than one that was higher in the water.

Now I know the reason for this pic as I 'saved' just before entering NY harbor 1940:doh:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...Ididntdoit.jpg

:rotfl: :rotfl:
No they are not
You cant set the depth and trust me the game aint that clever to recognise whats in it

:rotfl:

Oh I needed that

BTW what mod is that pic from

The pic had only SH 3 Commander 2.7 , harbor traffic 146 and JSGME.

I see you do not pay any attention to your "Captains log". March 2005 I think thats correct ? Anyway one of the SH3 Devs quoted that. I've sunk probably 20 of the T2 & T3 Tankers in SH 3 stock, this and that mod whatever and allways the same since I purchased the game when it first hit the shelves, a low water lined tanker will show more tonnage in the captains log than one with a high water line. These water lines are noted before any damage is done to the tanker of course. A good route to test this out is "New York-Gibraltar" "Pord Said-Oran-New York" or UGF,UGS on the SH 3 map in 1942/1943. Of course I have not used the GWX mod either, Hmmm maybe thats the prob. although I doubt it.

The tanker in that pic above was at normal water line when I first met convoy
After sailing over 50 km away then coming back it had settled lower in the water

Explain that then ? that was in the stock game and using the Happy Times mission
A stock included mission

If you use SH3commander your tonnages are varied

From SH3Commander ship displacements cfg

Pardon me if I dont believe a word of what the Dev said there

I and many more have spent a lot more time on the campaign files than any of the Devs and the devs record on unfinished features ingame is second to none

If what you say is true then why would Rowi have made a mod to simulate empty and full takers ?
Why would ppl test out lowering ships draft so simulate empty and full convoys

Just had a look through the stock campaign files

[RndGroup 703]
GroupName=USRNDPatrol_40_05
Category=0
CommandEntry=0
Long=-9770720.000000
Lat=1074260.000000
Height=0.000000 - every single entry is set the same throughout the Rnd
DelayMin=60
DelayMinInterv=1440
SpawnProbability=40
RandStartRadius=0.000000
ReportPosMin=-1
ReportPosProbability=100
Heading=0.000000
Speed=14.000000
ColumnsNo=1
Spacing=500
DeleteOnLastWaypoint=true
CurrentInstanceID=0
GameEntryDate=19400411
GameEntryTime=100
GameExitDate=19411220
GameExitTime=0
NextWP=0

[Unit 918]
Name=US DD Clemson#7
Class=DDClemson
Type=4
Origin=American
Side=0
Commander=0
CargoExt=-1
CargoInt=-1
CfgDate=19380101
DeleteOnLastWaypoint=false
DockedShip=false
GameEntryDate=19420215
GameEntryTime=100
GameExitDate=19430903
GameExitTime=0
EvolveFromEntryDate=false
Long=-8874140.000000
Lat=4833550.000000
Height=0.000000 every entry in the Scr is set at this setting
Heading=59.172337
Speed=25.000000
CrewRating=3
DelayMin=0
ReportPosMin=-1
ReportPosProbability=100
RandStartRadius=0.000000
NextWP=0

So there is no height adjustment on the stock files

Different cargo makes a slight difference to the tonnage of the ship
Add that to SH3commander variations

The tonnage number on the Kpt's log is a random value generated from the default ship tonnage, the game doesn't simulate the ship's cargo weight, in fact there's no way to set an individual ship draught besides the sim file.

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