They are hardly similiar situations.
And yeah, I'm glad I wasn't around in 1942.

Waste_gate, the poll isn't just flawed, it's actively malignant, misleading, and constructed to serve a particular agenda..

Then every poll can can be interpreted as 'actively malignant, misleading, and constructed to serve a particular agenda'?

No, because not every poll uses leading questions. I've been through this, as has Skybird

1. Cut and Run. Bail out. Eject, eject, eject. Gator freighters, C-5's, C-130's. Stick guys in the ferry pods on F-18 pylons.

2. Let the Shi'a genocide/annhilate the Sunni. The Sunni hate the kuffir, and the Shi'a hate the kuffir. They both follow the 9th Sura, and are instructed to follow the 9th Sura by their clergy. This is one thing the madrassas agree upon. The 9th Sura abrogates the 2nd and 3rd Suras. Let their own intolerance of each other take precedence over the kuffir.

3. Some Sunni will escape to Saudi Arabia. Others to Syria, Egypt, Jordan. They will form their own mujahideen gangs there and attack the local populaces as apostates to "true" islam.

4. The various Shi'a gangs will vie for power in Iraq. The Supreme Council of Iran will extert authority over the whole country's Shi'a gangs, by force.

5. Iran will run huge cargo convoys of various explosives and parts, openly, across Iraq roads -- all bound for Syria. From Syria, these parts will go to the West Bank and south Lebanon. 40,000 ball bearings, multi-stage rockets, mortar rounds, recoiless rifles, grenade launchers, IR SAM launchers (manpads). Hamas and Hezbollah.

6. Iran will also start attacking Saudi Arabia, with the intention of disrupting their oil exports. This will drive up the price of oil, allowing Iran to make massive profits if they can keep their own oil flowing. This will serve as a morale boost to Iranian mujahideen. Victories embolden combatants.

7. When the liberal cowards in Berkeley can't make it to the WTO protest because their VW van ran out of gas, they'll just stage their own little sit-in protest in the university theatre. When the rolling blackouts start, those same university professors will have a tough time indoctrinating their classrooms because their iPods and iBooks won't work (no electricity).

8. The local gangs will use the opportunity of decreased police "presence" to launch raids all across the city. Anti-gun liberals will die by the thousands because the gangs will choose easy targets and there's not enough private guards for hire.

9. The combined problems occuring because of insufficient electrical-production will become far more tangible to white-collar workers. They'll re-bribe congressional members and depose the environmentalists. Windmills will go up, to hell with birds. Nuclear plants will be approved, to hell with plutonium proliferation. Solar power stations will be constructed, to hell with migration patterns.

10. We will become independent from muslim oil. Lubricants will become completely synthetic, and more concrete will be used to make roads.

Which is far too many. That sh!thole isn't worth ONE American serviceman's life, let alone thousands. I guess we'll just have to wait for 'Peace with Honor' again. :roll:

PD

That sh!thole as you describe contains the worlds vast oil reserves. And if you haven't noticed, that's what fuels our economy. I honor those who have served, and hope that we keep the resolve to see it through to make that region of the world somewhat stable. And at the very least, keep the oil reserves out of the hands of Islamic fanatics. Their will be no honor "re-deploying" (surrender) our military while the region goes into deeper chaos. We virtually have no choice but to stay and see it through. I just wish Bush would kick out the media, Tell the Democrats to stuff it, and do the job correctly. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have the backbone to do that. Well 1 out of 3 is a start. He's pretty much told the Democrats to pack sand last week. I'll take it.

Why kick out the media? Is a free press dangerous to the preservation of oil reserves?

Well, when they work against you in a time of war, they are. Did you know that FDR threatened to throw the editors of the Chicago Tribune in prison during WW2? We now have a hostile media in the USA that is working to demoralize the war effort. They don't report any of the good news, and they agonize over every death. What's the purpose other than to demoralize? When they work against us, I say deny them access to the battlefield. Absolutely. If they're balanced and can leverage good and bad, then give them access. The point is, the "free" media is only free to print the bad.

You don't even know what Bush's plan is. Their isn't one. We have a deficient president who can't seem to understand that 'Hey, this isn't working! Lets try something else'. He completely ignored the Iraq panel.
I'll tell you what this presidents plan is seeing as nobody's figured it out yet. Keep the troops in Iraq doing the same thing that isn't working then dump it on the next president. The voters told this failure that the same thing is not working so change it. Yes, even the average American voter can see what this president doesn't. You tell these Iraqi leaders to get off their butts and do their jobs for once and start right now or we stop propping them up.
Stop trying to put western psychology in a middle eastern mind. Make them put up.

Bush admitted mistakes, and also said he was changing tactics. What else do you want? You want him to give a press conference on what those tactics are? Do you want Bush to give a national press conference on what locations troops will be at, their compositions, and when we'll move? Why not invite Muqtada Al-Sadr to the front row? I don't think you or other Democrats are that important that yuou need to know exaclty how a commander in chief, his military advisors or military leaders are going to commence from this point. You Democrats are too full of yourselves.

BINGO!! Even you see it yet you steadfastly support a president who doesn't!

I don't think you read me correctly sometimes. Bush is not advocating surrender. He is advocating a change of tactics. That's actually a good move. If we surrender and do what the Democrats want with "re-deploying" (surrender), that's what will lead to out and out civil war with no hope at all. Despite your wish to call it a lost cause, we ain't there yet. I know you are desperate to demoralize this nation into believing it though. :nope:

Another telling poll:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6286755.stm

:hmm:

ahh, always trust a poll, counted in tiny percents of the world population...:roll:

What I bingo'd is you finally recognize that Bush has been lying and the blind faith crowd are finally opening their eyes. More Republican politicians are realizing Bush has lost all sense of reality and are swapping sides. Maybe now we will be able to make the Iraqi's work for their own country instead of them believing we will prop them up indefinitely.