Most guys would exgagerate and give themselves eight or nine.

You forgot the dishes with the Presidential seal that were missing from Air Force One, after
Mr. and Mrs Clinton were flown home to upper state New York, after
they left the White House.

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Yours, Mike

Like I said the onslaught would/will be merciless.

I think that's the plan. I believe her candidacy is designed to be a lightning rod, drawing Republican attention and effort away from the other Dem runners.

Yeah, she's a real commie. :roll:

Sounds like the knives are being sharpen up here. I just can not see her in the White House she dose not look like she's up to the job. If she is a communist wouldn't she better standing in Russia, China, Cuba or North Korea. ;)

Here are just a handful of examples from her Senate site. She's a socialist.

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I was also an original co-sponsor of S. 2370 in the 108th Congress, which would raise the federal minimum wage to $7 an hour.
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I once again co-sponsored legislation to extend the Milk Income Loss Contract (MILC) Program in the 109th Congress, as I have done in previous Congresses. MILC is set to expire in September of 2005, which would result in there being no safety net for New York dairy farmers in times of fluctuating prices.
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This would provide a legal process for adjusting the status of certain immigrant agricultural workers and would also provide rights and protections to individuals who are currently undocumented agricultural workers
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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton announced today that she had joined with a group of her colleagues in urging Department of Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to temporarily halt the deportation of Haitian nationals. Given the humanitarian disaster caused by Hurricane Jeanne and the desperate conditions facing the country and its people, the Senators last week asked Secretary Ridge to use his authority to grant Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to Haitian nationals. Temporary Protected Status has been granted in similar circumstances in the past. The Prime Minister of Haiti, Gerard Latortue, has already called on the United States Government to grant such an authority.
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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has joined with fellow Senate Democrats in urging the Department of Homeland Security to issue a formal statement reassuring immigrant victims of Hurricanes Rita and Katrina that they can seek help from relief agencies without fear of deportation or being turned over to immigration authorities. In a letter to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the Senators asked that in light of the magnitude of the tragedy caused by the hurricanes, the ongoing need for relief, and the continuous risk to public health and safety involved, such an assurance should be issued to the hurricane’s immigrant victims as soon as possible.
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You're aware of the difference between socialism and communism, yeah?

She's a commie!
"No, she's not"
"Yes she is, she's a socialist!"

Come on, you're better than that.


Are you honestly showcasing these as being socialist? (Or communist, which is it?) They strike me as humanitarian rather than anything else. As for the others, many countries have minumum wage laws and agricultural subsidies without being socialist in nature.

I said here are some examples. She's a socialist. I didn't say she was a Communist. However, you can't totally separate the two. They are intertwined:

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
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In the late 19th century the terms "socialism" and "communism" were often used interchangeably. (Encarta) However, Marx and Engels argued that communism would not emerge from capitalism in a fully developed state, but would pass through a "first phase" in which most productive property was owned in common, but with some class differences remaining. The "first phase" would eventually give way to a "higher phase" in which class differences were eliminated, and a state was no longer needed. Lenin frequently used the term "socialism" to refer to Marx and Engels' supposed "first phase" of communism and used the term "communism" interchangeably with Marx and Engels' "higher phase" of communism.
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Everyone has to set their own definitions as far as what is right and wrong. Her ideas would seem to fit a socialist viewpoint.

From Dictionary.com:
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Socialism:
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
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Now to me, her ideas fit right into that definition. I think that we need some social programs (Public education for one), but she goes off of the deep end in my opinion.

As an actual socialist, I can say that Hillary only looks left-wing against the disturbingly right-slanted American political scene. It's all a matter of relativity.

That said, I personally don't think she's a particularly good candidate.

Hillary Clinton
 

The truth is I won't vote for her as she will do naught but divide and divided we fall.

Obama is interesting but lacking in true track record and impact on National level politics.

I think we will see the emergence of a Democratic leader very soon but as of now my divining rod fails me.

Let's see what Gels over the next few months and see who and how we get out of " The Big Muddy". When that happens and the brains behind the solution evidences himself/herself then we will have a better idea as to where the country can find Leadership.

:hmm:

Amen, brother :)
My fondest wish is she will get the Dem nom... best way to ensure a Republican stays in the White House. Hopefully a better one than we have now.

We don't need any more socialism in the US, we have more than enough.

Like i said on the previous page. I believe her candidacy is designed to be a lightning rod, diverting Republican attention away from the other Dem candidates.

I know she'll be coming for my guns. And she'll be getting them.......bullets first.:stare: