No offense taken. :cool:

Believe me, I wish there was a way to get longer repair times without screwing with the crew efficiency ratings . But that's the only way to do it (that I know) without the damn cource code. :damn:

Wow, what an incredibly useful thread. It actually shows pro's, con's and others for optioning a Mod. I wish every mod could have such open and objective discussion as to what the relative plusses and minuses were without all the emotional "Who shot john".

That said, what exactly do I loose if I go with LRT instead of LRG - am I just loosing some accuracy of surface ships (I spend most my time underwater!) - or is there a lot more. There will still be merchants with machineguns, I hope, if I go with LRT? Does Cdr Gibs have time to answer such inane questions?

Well, its the Subsim forums...!:up:

I intend to avoid the problem entirely!! Aviod escorted ships at all costs!!

HB

Long Range Gunnery Mod is what it is. An excellent addition, not only affect ships but aircraft too.

My advice is not to mess with the default setup of GWX as only the Dev's know what will break if LRT is added. My hunch is that alot will change or become deactivated as a result of adding LRT.

You are right to some degree. But also think about this- what has more affect on gameplay? Having a Long Range Gun feature and 2 or 3 minute U-boat repair times (every time). Or not having the Long Range Gun feature and having much more realistic U-boat repair times (up to 24 hours or more for heavy damage)? Both choices will affect gameplay, of course. But it is my opinion that using LRT adds much more realism and challenge to gameplay than does having the Long Range Guns feature. If there was a way to have longer repair times without changing crew efficiency settings, then I would do it in a second. Unfortunately, there is no other way (without the code). To me (and maybe other players out there), the trade off is more than worth it. I still don't understand how players can play SH3 with only 2 or 3 minute repair times. I just can't. :hmm:

And I am in no way trying to put down the GWX team for the deicisions they made when developing GWX. They did an awesome job. :up: All I am doing is trying to give players other choices.

No worries Nvdrifter.

Your disclaimer is good enough for me. That statement isn't an easy one to place on your mod to be sure.

I just wish things were simpler, and we could all have the cake and eat it too.:-?

Notewire, I'll make a quick list for you of the changes that I made in LRT which will affect or change features in GWX:

-shorter range guns for ai ships and aircraft (according to GWX team members)

-much higher U-boat hit points

-much faster U-boat crush speeds

-much, much longer U-boat repair times

-tougher U-boat equipment

-set crew efficiencies (skills no longer dependent on crew efficiency ratings)

-much slower U-boat compartment flooding times

-much more vulnerable U-boat crew on topside

-much less vulnerable U-boat crew below deck

-each compartment has it's own armor rating (no longer dependent on hull integrity)

I really think some people here like to criticize my mod without even trying it. :nope: But the only way to know if you will like this mod is to just try it. If after trying it you decide that you don't like it, all you have to do is uninstall it. Just be sure to back up your old files first. Good luck. :D

Kpt. Lehmann, I wasn't trying to rain on your parade by releasing my LRT mod to work with GWX. No at all. I do apologize for the changes it (unavoidably) makes to GWX. :oops: But I'll say it again. You guys are the best. I do (try to) understand how much unpaid time and work you all put into the outstanding GWX mod. I just couldn't play SH3 without GWX installed. Actually, I reinstalled SH3 onto my computer just because of your spectacular GWX release. My hat's off to the GWX team. :rock:

Well mate, no one can tell another how to go about playing or modding their personal game.

Its just that thanks to a few... who LOUDLY COUNT THE RIVETS our modifications AND yours, collectively and/or independantly, come under the microscope. You've given credit where credit is due and have stayed constant and honest in an interesting field.

More power to you.

I hope you enjoy GWX... We put alot of good stuff in there.:arrgh!:

KL

Sinking the Bismark ?
 

Well, I love both these mods - soo much. I love the rangefinding radar, and I love sitting at the bottom for 2 days until my diesels get repaired. I really can't make up my mind.

I did some playtesting tonight, did the Bismark mission about 8 times, here's what I found (hopefully not to be interpreted as loud rivet counting).

In each test, I would surface, take some damage, and crash dive to see what happens.

In GWX-LRG, I surfaced, died instantly, 3 times. Seems pretty realistic to me I suppose. The combination of the rangefinding radars and GWX's more rapid Hull Integrity = 0 death made for a nearly instant (I mean, less than 20 seconds) appearance above the surface before death screen.

In GWX w/LRT, I surfaced, drove around for about 2 minutes, with bullets zinging all over the place, my ship slowly turned red. All the men in two compartments died and the sub started flooding all about - and then dead screen.

What's it worth? I am still heartwrenchingly torn between two mods I love. I am not sure a U-Boat could stand a 5 inch round, or two, like I received with nvDrifters, before I went down. On the other hand, the 2 min repair times are just wierd for me, being a big Das Boot fan. It seems if I play on the surface at all, GW will give me a more accurate picture of how foolish that would be. If I play underwater, LRT will model the suspense of flooding and repair better. But if I use LRT, I will be more apt to surface and try to run at flank - knowing they don't have rangefinding radar.

That's it, it must be a double install. Sorry for the Rant. I will just have to alternate patrols.

Cheers guys, two great, great additions to the community.

By the way, it was Bismark 2, Nelson 6.

Well, well...I'm a big fan of the LRT mod.
And I will put my best to help Nvdrifter (if needed lol) to achieve the best balance to use it with GWX.
All ppl on the GWX team already knows my opinion about this.

I just want to say that stock GWX already have a excelent work on the Uboat damage issue. The best one from any mod until now. Kudos to Kaptain Lehmann for this.

But I yet like and prefer LRT mod. In truth I will only mess with it in next january because i will go in a family trip for the next 25 days.

And the best of this is that we will have more options on the way to play SH3!:up:


Rubini.