No where on the site does it say this product unfinished. The problem here is he is selling an unfinished product and making a net profit from it. Does copywrite infringment come into play here wither it is product whos value is not so good? In my view a profit is being made and the developers are not getting anything for it. Currently if is on sale for $19.95. If this was your game that you created would you not be PO'd that someone is making money from it? If anyone in this thread think this is OK and he is helping those with dial-up by selling a CD of it, your thinking is seriously flawed. Mother Theresa this guy ain't. He is only helping out his wallet.:nope:

I do not know if he can be reported but I will go to the site for this game and search for a contact email.

AVGWarhawk, i agree with you. I ment that if his intentions are good, but it doesnt seem like they are. The developers should have all the bucks this dude makes on selling this stuff, without questions. My thinking isnt flawed, trust me mate:D..
$19.95 is alot of money for unfinished work, and i'll guess his attempt to make money on others peoples work wont go unnoticed by the developers... And you know how i feel about those who steal others peoples work (*easy _seth_, you dont...woooont to go there.....easy...breathe....inhale...exhale.....pu hhh..:sunny:)

Now keep a cool head there my young kaleun :arrgh!: :up:

Im curious where are you all digging up 19.95$? last i looked the bid was at 4 dollars + 6 dollars for shipping and "handling".

Anyhow i dont exactly agree with it, especialy as its unlikely he has the authors' permision, but its technicaly not illegal as far as i know (its an opensource project). As for dialup users, yes they possibly could download it before it would arive in the mail, but its still not overly feasable for them to do it, your forget download interups, isp automaticly hanging up every so often etc which can drop the download and depending on the site its being downloaded from force a complete restart. Also the person downloading it wouldnt be able to do much of anything else while its downloading.

I was not pointing you out Seth.:doh: Others in the thread seem to think this is OK. What could it hurt? He is not asking for much! These are the same that think just a little pot won't hurt children. Gee, it is not much! What could it hurt? This is were the thinking is flawed. Does anyone really believe he is a bleeding heart and wants to make good by burning a CD for a price for those that have dial up? Man, best stop sniffing the glue:doh: and put down the can of spray paint.:dead: The man is obviously selling an incomplete game he did not create for profit. Very simple. Furthermore, he is not advising this game is unfinished and is also available for a free download. It is DECEPTION at it's worst, not only to the developers but to young kids ordering the darn thing when it is FREE!

At any rate, I did find an email for the developers on the site and asked if this game was legally contracted to be burned and sold. Here is the catch, the names look to be Russian and copywrite protection probably does not apply. With that said, all that can be done is expose this individual to EBay and see what they say.

OK, lets open that can of worms.....did X1 selling of free modded work go well with this community? It went over like a draft card at a hippie love in. Same principle
here.

DftD on eBay
 

I'm a member of the Danger from the Deep forums, and have posted there many times before. I can make a post and ask the team about it if you want.

If you would! See what becomes of it. We may not be able to change the whole world but we sure can change our little part of it!:rock:

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Done. Let's see if there is a response to this later.

http://www.dangerdeep.net/forums/vie....php?p=768#768

Danger from the Deep is released under the GPL, so that anybody can do anything with the software as long as it retains the GPL license. It's therefore totally legal to sell it for a profit, the person doing that doesn't need the approbation of the devs or anyone.
It's a good thing, having other people distribute it increase the visibility and availability of open source software.
A dev team can for example take the DftD source code, add some contents/scenarios and sell that for a profit. Ultimately, it will benefit the community since new content has been developed for everybody to use/modify/resell.
It's exactly how (for example) commercial Linux distributions work, RedHat, Novell, etc... are basically doing just that, selling a collection of selected work from other, making millions $$$ but this is a good thing since they improve the product.
However, apexsoftware is a bit deceiving by not telling their customer the product is unfinished and by not telling it's under the GPL (and therefore available from other sources as well), but if people are willing to buy without checking what the product is first.... it's their own problem!

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Well, luckily that is how I presented the problem to the dev team. I suspected that ApexSoftware was allowed to make the sales, because of a news article I read once about an arrest of a PC Store owner who was selling copies of some build of Linus - the developers told the police to release the seller because he was not breaking the law (although the police were unhappy about that). The main problem here is, as you said, that ApexSoftware is presenting DftD as being a finished commercial product for Windows, in a factory produced package.

I dig your response squirrel and yourdead on with your response but as AG124 so aptly stated and I mentioned as well, no mention of game in the works, unfinished product, but it is FACTORY sealed. I guess one could consider a Ziploc baggie as factory sealed. A disclosure should be added to the bidding screen or FINE print if you will. I would like to see the response from the DW community on the matter.:yep:

e-Bay has a simple process for dealing with people who are "operating on the fringes of the law" and that is their rating system. People who buy who feel bad about it later can take out their frustrations in their ratings of the seller.

That said I'd be a bit miffed if I later found out that what I'd bought was incomplete and still in development no matter how much I'd shelled out for it.

EBay Ratings
 

I assume you are talking about feedback. The problem is, they can do the same to you by leaving you negative feedback after you leave it for them. I think there is a process to deal with purely retaliatory feedback, but they can always make a statement like "buyer was rude and confrontational." There is also mutual withdrawal, but that would make the entire process redundant. Essentially, it wouldn't really work for the situation at hand.

BTW - off topic, but there is an AG124 an eBay - and it isn't me.:damn: Someone from the US got my favorite username and I had to choose another, although that was long before I joined SubSim.

Well AG124 the developer has spoken. The artwork is not transferable under any circumstanses. Looks like he will be contacting Ebay on the matter. :rock: Thanks for posting this issue up on the forum. Once again, lets give credit were credit is due or monies if any.

As far as the feedback system on Ebay, it is nothing but a "he said, she said" and nothing really becomes of it. Ebay does however mediate in dire situations and will cut off sellers if needed. I do not know if they go any further than that.

Thanks for posting it for the developers AG124:up: