Some of you consider that religion is not a big deal. That atheists are over reacting.

Are you sure?
Let me show you another documental about fanatism and its political ties with the goverment, with a special emphasis in America:

""" Root of all evil """ is a television documentary, written and presented by Richard Dawkins, in which he argues that the world would be better off without religion.
The documentary was first broadcasted in January 2006, in the form of two 45 minute episodes on Channel 4 in the UK.

Part 1: ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...all+Evil&hl=en

Part 2: ---> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...all+Evil&hl=en

Enjoy!!!

Sorry, I did not notice your link!!! :up::up::up::up::up:

;)
It's a good programme, though.

There's one thing to learn from mythology, though: It's far better to have an open outlook on death (as many religious people do) than to hide it and declare it a taboo (as many atheists do). Followers of mythology may be wrong in my eyes as to what happens when you die, but at least they discuss it. Death and dealing with it is such a taboo to atheists that it's scary.

Everyone needs to believe in something.

I believe I'll have another beer.

I think Sea Demon and August know where I stand on this....

I belive Ishamel has good belifes.

:o:o:o:o:o

Followers of mythology and superstition are who proclaim "eternal life" and "judgment day" (something like their god will come to kill everyone, and only the chosen ones will survive). :roll:

Also they have a folklore of: souls, phantoms, zombies, halloween, 666, vampires, etc.

Well, you know, this people believes in supernatural stuff. Their behavior is driven by fear.

On the opposite side you have atheists, and they believe that death is a natural cycle. It is not taboo at all

I disagree. Many atheists, me included, support euthanasia.

God Bless America
Words and music by Irving Berlin, 1939

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. "

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.

That's because you didn't bother to look.

First off McVeighs reasons for his actions had to do with his belief in government tyranny, not religion, so including him in your argument is a red herring.

Secondly, it took all of 60 seconds to find these links from the pro-life movement condemning the actions of Paul Hill.

http://www.mttu.com/Wetzel%20-%20The...Master%202.htm
http://www.streetpreachersfellowship.com/hill.asp
http://www.covenantnews.com/north030905.htm
http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/...ill_9_2_03.htm
http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation/archiv...20030904b.html

America the Beautiful

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America! God shed his grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood, from sea to shining sea.

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassion'd stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness.

America! America!
God mend thine ev'ry flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law.

O beautiful for heroes prov'd
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life.

America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness,
And ev'ry gain divine.

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears.

America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea.

FYI, I´ve cleaned up the thread a little bit, only the posts that came after the complaint.

Thank you Gizzmoe. :rock:

VOON_CAPO so what do YOU want? Respect for atheists? Freedom for their position, and not having religion or spirituality or superstition forced on them? (Take your pick) Great, but it seems you want religion to be eliminated as much as some religious people want atheism to be eliminated. I don't think that is very fair or openminded.

It is a taboo, like psychiatry, and a very strict one. It's not talked about in school, you don't learn about it, and when death comes around, you know nearly nothing about it. Sure, it frequents movies, but Hell, death in reality, as opposed to on the movie screen, is a taboo.

A friend of mine's mother died in a mudslide a year ago, and I, and her other friends had zero clue as to how to approach her. Countless stories I've read from grieving people mostly tell the same story: Neighbours and friends who turn away from you to "leave you alone" because they don't know better; Teachers who expect you to be fine two days after the death; people who think that the grief from the death of a loved one lasts for a week, as opposed to a life-time... I could go on and on.

Death is a taboo. Just like sex and masterbation was before we got sexual education (remember the days of "masterbation is a Sin and makes you blind"?. Just like psychiatry and mental illness is a taboo (try to be open about your mental illness and I promise you you'll have a lot of ignorants back away from you). Just like AIDS used to be a taboo no one learned about or knew about.

I know how to be there for friends who lose loved ones now (simple, really, just be there for them, don't change the subject when they bring the death up, and don't go "I know how you feel"), but it was no fun back then when I had no clue and had to learn the hard way:cry:.

I pointed out in my post, I believe, that I don't agree with the Christians' view on what happens when you die (you could take a hint from me calling it a "mythology"). But my point still stands about them dealing with grief and mourning better than atheists, because they're more open about it and talk about it, instead of declaring it off-limits.

You misunderstood what I meant.

OK, so America the Beautiful has the word "God" in it. Seems like just another addition to your list to me. Your point?

quantum physics....one thing science keeps learning time and time again is they don't know squat....what they think is true is not what they thought not...is...introducing creationisim into school...yes....give kids all the info they can get and let them make they're decision...to teach children that science is the only solution to all things is foolish and proven wrong by science itself.