Thanks. At the same time, however, I'm pretty sure most of us want to continue to encourage and support Ubi's developing these games.

This form of DRM is going 1m below crush depth, though.....

But you certainly live an interesting one!

You may or may not be a dinosaur, but if you are you have lots of good company.:shucks:

That's me finished as far as the seafood section of the menu is concerned :o

@Platapus

You and I have the same line of thought on this issue.

I still do not know what I will decide to do in March.

Thank you for the laugh. I'm trying to hold it in because I'm at work, but it's only making it worse...

I don't get it? I'm not a college graduate, but I don't understand UBI's thought process. If you are willing to alienate lets say 40% of your potential buyers in order to thwart let's say 10% loss of sales due to piracy. That's 30% less $$$$$ your going to make, and @ $50.00 a pop, times a couple hundred thousand units. That's a lot of chicken feed in my book. Someone double check my numbers. Like I said, I'm no mathematician.

I voted "Makes no difference to me" The Silent Hunter SH3/4 game is the ONLY one game I play ( the first person shooters games are silly/boring and Colin Mc Rae DIRT soon become boring) and I have excellent and permanent internet connection , UBISOFT is the owner/developer of this software/game ,unfortunately we dont have plenty of other submarine simulations to choose from , .................. Therefore without a doubt I will buy this SH5 game http://1.2.3.11/bmi/1.2.3.11/bmi/for...smilies/25.gif

One of the harder things to calculate is the number of people who didn't buy your product and the number that would have bought it except for XXX happening.

The best that can be made is an estimation. Even polls can not be accurate. What people say on polls or on internet forums may or may not be what they end up doing.

So the 40% alienated is an estimate difficult to measure after the fact.

The 10% loss due to piracy is also difficult to verify. It may be higher or lower. Ubi has stated in articles that it is their belief that it is higher a lot higher. Are they right or wrong? Dunno.

Even if there won't be that much piracy with SH5, Ubi may want to have a standardized system for all their titles from now on. It is much easier (and perhaps cheaper) to just declare that all Ubi games will have this DRM instead of trying to determine what title should or should not have this DRM.

Business decisions such as this are seldom simple math equations. There may be factors besides sales numbers and some of them may have nothing to do with this specific title.

One thing Ubi knows is how to make a profit in selling software. We, the consumer, may never know the rational for this DRM decision and many of us probably would not fully understand the rational even if it was told to us.

Of course, this does not invalidate our rights, as customers, to dislike this decision and perhaps allow it to affect our consumer decisions.

Just posted this in another thread but wanted to mirror here......

I just downloaded the ROF demo and played it with DRM and it really wasn't that much different then without it.

I don't know, I'm starting to think we don't want it because it has become the norm of the forum to see negative.

I have to trust on a stable internet connection to a server somewhere in someplace everyday for our corp email and ISP to work. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to get on the internet everyday. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to be here and posting everyday.

I'm changing my view and buying SH5 with or without DRM. I just hope that it makes a difference on piracy so we can have some great games to come in the future.

longam

While I respect your opinion, I'd advice that you wait at least a couple of days after initial release and read the reviews and/or forums. Would really suck, to buy the game and just find out that the Ubi servers can't handle it, or the whole system does not work as promised.

im glad you dont have any worries but you missed the whole problem 95% of the anti DRM people have.

its not about how the game plays as much as who is automaticly excluded from being able to play the game.

having to have a perminant, affordable, and stable connection to UBI servers to play the game is like saying this game is only for people who were born with blonde hair and everyone else must get with the program because that is how it is and thats the future so if you werent born with blonde hair you cant play the game.

connections to internet servers are like your hair color you are born with, it is what it is and its not something you can just change (even thou you can change hair color)

Being in the IT field and also just moving from BFE, I know exactly what you mean by that. But I'm going to be a strong believer that they will back down and remove DRM after the profits are made to keep down on expenditures after the fact. UBI isnt going to spend money on increasing or updating if they dont have to.

Uh... what!?

It's a PC game. That means it's already just about the most elitist form of "mass entertainment" that there is. You're saying it's okay for them to exclude everyone who can't afford a few thousand dollars worth of gaming hardware, but it's wrong of them to exclude those who can't afford/obtain a solid internet connection? Where is the logic in that?

Not as much as all the missing material that should be there.
All the best implements came late for the Germans, and way to late for us.
Look at the pic and tell me what kind of sim it is with out all the gray,
it's way less than half.