Ok Mookie, I have CareFirst with a paid health credit card for a family of 4 that my employer fills every year with $2300.00. I get taxed on it as income and that is fine. I have a $20.00 copay that I use this card for as well as perscriptions or any procedure that is not covered 100%. I can use it for glasses, dental or any health related issues. You tell me Mookie, would you drop this type of insurance and take on a hope for the best government plan? Will the government load a credit card with $2300.00 for perscriptions, copay or any other health related issues? Doubt it. So, the answer is no I will not drop my current and my employer said he would not drop it. However, he and I do not believe we should have to pay into yet another system for others.

Theoretically a universal government plan wouldn't have any limits.

Besides $2300 a year for a family of four ain't all that much even just for prescriptions, but especially when you add all that other stuff too.

'Theoretically' is all the government program has right now. Yes, there will be limits and you can hang your hat on that.

$2300.00 is better than nothing. Furthermore, last year I spent about $200.00 on that card. This year I have spent about $1300.00 on the card. That includes glasses for three people and my daughters usual health check ups and vaccinations. My wifes yearly gyno visit. So, really, barring anything major I do not see any more of the money spent this year. Again, better $2300.00 than empty pockets. You be the judge.

He doesn't want to be the judge, AVG. He wants the Government to supply him with all his healthcare needs and he wants you and I to pay for it.

This is what Obama calls 'redistribution of wealth', and what his hero refers to more honestly as:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

@ TDK - Do you really believe that Karl Marx is Obama's hero?

Absolutely. He admits a keen interest in Marxism at College, and he constantly refers to a fair process of redistribution of wealth. His book 'Dreams From My Father' would seem to reiterate his beliefs.

Oh, I fully understand his position TDK :)

I'm actually more interested in putting the slimy insurance companies out of business whose business model is built on people dying. I pay my taxes and insurance premiums just as I'm sure you and everyone else here does. No need to get personal.

Here you have an Administration that has been in power for less than a year, and already they have achieved ownership in a significant percentage of the Auto industry and the Banking industry, and now they are trying to nationalize the health industry.

Ask yourself this question. Why is a bright young medical student going to spend 4 years in medical school and build up a boat load of debt in order to end up working for the Federal Government? The good ones won't.

Are the insurance companies angels in this equation? Hell no. Neither are the pharmaceutical companies who are as guilty of robbery as anyone holding up a convenience store. There are plenty of pieces of this puzzle that need totally re-thinking, but nationalized health care is not the answer.

You don't need to put the insurance companies out of business, Mookie, you need to create an environment where they act responsibly as insurance companies and not companies offering medical payment plans for anything and everything medical related.

If there are effective checks and balances in place regarding medical malpractice lawsuits, the cost of perscription medication, the amount that a hospital can bill an insurance company and so on, then the system will work the way that it's meant to.

How true is this statement? As true as it gets! The cart is being put before the horse under Obama's idea. All Obama has done is throw money at the problems. He wants to do it again with healthcare. That is not smart. He is throwing good money after bad. I agree TDK...the current system needs an overhauled...then looking at universal healthcare should be done. This attempt is so totally haphazard it is baffling. In fact, all that has passed into legislation in the past 6 months has been baffling. No one is taking a good look at anything. Just throw money at the problem and hope it goes away.

Obama is my hero? This is your big plan AVG and TDK? Alienate a lifelong republican voter just because he doesn't brainlessly join the anti democrat mob on every issue?

Just remember one thing the both of you. I have been employed and paying taxes and buying health care insurance since the 1980's and i'll still be paying if a national health care system is instituted, so neither of you two bozos will be paying for me any time soon.

As a matter of fact since you're so concerned about paying your own way and nobody elses then how about you pay back the government for all the tax money your kids use up to go to public school, because I don't have kids and i'm tired of supporting yours.

What was that you said? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Sounds to me like you need me a heckuva lot more than I need you.

You do not live in my state therefore your tax dollars did not pay for my kids school. BTW, I send my kids to private school. :O:

As far as paying other peoples way...been doing it for years. I do not need yet another program to pay into for others.

I never said that:hmmm:

What plan? My plan is to not have to pay into yet another program when I'm already paying into a program of my choice. I call it freedom to choose.

I too have been paying since the mid 80's. BFD! Get a grip. Bozo is a clown. Personally I see my self as Goofy:03:

When liberals question the government (President, Congress, et. al.) they are called patriots, when conservatives do the same thing they are called a mob.:nope:

The reverse is also true. The same conservatives who ran the "I love my country, but I don't trust the government" bumper stickers in the '90s are also the ones who said "If you question the Patriot Act, you're UnAmerican!"

A lot of the anger being generated towards Democratic Congressmen and women right now is coming from moderate Democrats who sense a growing feeling of discontent regarding this issue from their constituents.