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Ostfriese 05-05-25 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2955885)
Some thoughts on this topic AfD.

So this German intelligent service has said AfD. is a far right movement and a threat to the German constitution. Why haven't they classed far left and radical Islam as a threat to the German constitution, as well.

Markus

What makes you think they haven‘t? Throughout their existence they have done so in quite a number of cases.

Skybird 05-05-25 11:20 AM

In terrroist cases yes, but in oh so many cases of "ideological indoctrination" ion wq wider sense they haven't, also because the bause as intrudced by Faeser wa sin this form feared for sicn emy shcool time i the 80s, but became reality in this extreme form just in recent years.


The interior and culture ministers of the federal states interact with the formal Islamic associations in a conference format that to this day disadvantages and excludes moderate or even reformist Islamic forces, favours radical organizations and downright pampers Turkish ultra-nationalists. Voices critical of Islam - Muslims! - who warn against the Islamo-fascist trend of this development have been even more marginalized by Faeser than was already the case, and are, as usual, denounced as racists. It is quite ironic when German socialists denounce moderate reform-minded apostates or Muslims as racist or fascist and inflammatory, while they themselves sit at the same table with Turkish gray wolves and radical fundamentalists! The moderate and reformist voices rejected in this way are often Muslims who have fled from Islamic terror in their Islamic home countries.

These politicians are refugees from reality, they do not deal with Islam, that would be a disillusionment, but they fabricate a wishful thinking of what they would like Islam to be and dfas is such that they can act on it, and then pretend that radicals and fundamentalists and nationalists will comply.




There is only one question left: how stupid can you actually be without sinking into the ground with shame?

And leftists, well, the fact that the state meets radical leftists in various forms with massive goodwill is due to the fact that state socialism is highly desired and striven for and that since the late 60s (Rudi Dutschke) the "march through the institutions", as Dutschke called it (meaning to turn German socialist.comunist not by violence like the RAF, but by invading the institutiins, schools, media, courts and universities and ideologically transforming them from within) , has been successfully completed. And Faeser was totally blind in the left eye, while with the right eye she only saw and sees only Nazis everyhwere: everything that is not very left is Nazi. The Verfassungsschutz only observes the peak of the left-wing iceberg. Where it intervenes against Muslim terrorism, it desperately dependson foreign services and their intel, because neither the Verfassungsschutz nor the BND are potent enough to recognize such terror plot themselves, and are handicapped by too many prohibitions and limnitations: in this regard German yhangs absolutely helplessly on the drip of the Americans and Brits (and others). Most of the activities that would merit its attention remain deliberately wanted and observed. When it comes to left-wing and right-wing extremism, there are double standards in Germany: in politics anyway, in the media, in education and in the judiciary. Recently, an analysis was presented according to which courts in traditionally SPD-governed federal states are significantly more likely to rule in favor of left-wing defendants than in countries not governed by the SPD. Same is true for mirgant defendants cimmitting crimes. This means that in Germany, the penalty for a conviction also depends on the place of residence, the place of the court, even if the same federal laws are applied.

JU_88 05-05-25 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese (Post 2955893)
What makes you think they haven‘t? Throughout their existence they have done so in quite a number of cases.


So they have removed Far left or Islamist democratic parties from the ballot after they got too much support and posed a threat at the voting booth?
-Or they have shut down activist/protest/terrorist groups who broke the law?
Two very different things.


lets call a spade a spade, the reason the AFD or any poltical group needs to be suddenly taken out with lawfare is -because there is a danger they might actually win. No chance of them winning = can be safely ignored.
IS this really an establishment protecting its constitution, or is it an establishment protecting the establishment?

Skybird 05-05-25 07:38 PM

https://youtube.com/shorts/u_9MAumF-...1kKTym1bl3P5Il

JU_88 05-06-25 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2955950)


Boo Youtube, no English Captions option for Shorts it seems, whats he saying?

Skybird 05-06-25 04:16 AM

He is a well-known lawyer, specialising on media law and free speech, also repeatedly on TV. He points out once again that the former interior minster Nancy Faeser (SPD) acted very ruthlessly and immorally by withholding this report, which is 1,100 pages long instead of just about 200 and by this stellar volume apparently is intended to replace quality with quantity, for half a year (!) and only had it presented two days before her departure, thus effectively slapping it on the table for her CDU successor as a mortgage intended to force him into line. He further points out that the report is classified, no one knows what it actually says, that it therefore has no evidential value and so that nothing based on it can be considered documented or proven at all, and that legally it is to be understood as the work commissioned by a subordinate authority bound by instructions, because the Office for the Protection of the Constitution is directly subordinate to the political leadership in the Ministry of the Interior.


The last president of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution was a handpicked Faeser man. However, he repeatedly interfered so much in the political day-to-day business that the pressure became too great and she had to send him away. Since then, she has left the position vacant. Which means: ultimately, she was at the top and forced the Office for the Protection of the Constitution to directly serve the SPD's power interests. Fpor this, she left the personel network her man had established, intact. A great deal of fighting against right-wing extremists, oppositional thinkers, anti-immigrants, etc., and a great deal of leniency and turning a blind eye to left-wing radical violence.


Even already in my school days in the 1980s, there were warnings that the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, due to its vague definition of its tasks, unique in the Western world as I explained earlier, posed a great risk of being misused as a thought police. Until now, these were just warnings and fears. But in recent years, and probably increasingly under Merkel already, these have actually come true. Faeser brought this misuse to its full potential.


And btw, the AfD reports over 1000 new party registrations since Friday, when the “report” was presented (=kept secret). So much for the speculation that the sacrosanct guilty verdict by the Office for the Protection of the Constitution might prevent people from exposing themselves to the risk of being classified as “right-wing”. LOL One AfD functionary left the party since then, quoting violent threats of left activists against his family.

And Merz - fumbled. :haha: In first vote for chancelor he only got 310 of the coalition's 328 votes. He needs 316 at minimum to put himself in the office.

Its a humiliation, and I wish him all my heart! :yeah:

No second vote today, say the media.

I tell you what: these unknown rebels - most of them at least - are no SPD people but CDU people. This suspicion makes a lot of sense. The SPD cna only win from this government. But in the CDU the reservations against Merz and the anti-AfD firewall and the very very left-leaning coalition treaty with the SPD are growing.

Too early to start partying, but I really wish this whole coalition would collapse. Its surreal and almost unnatural.

By regulations, a second attempt is possible on Friday. If two thirds of the Bundestag opt for it, the time can be shortened and a second vote held on Wednesday.


All parties, inlcuding Greens and SED, still negotiate over Wednesday. And sinantly the AfD annoucned she is all for Wednesday.


Now. If the CDU and the SPD are serious about their holy - and noisely announced - promises to never ever support anything in the Bundestag if the AfD supports that project ("never with votes from the AfD!"), then they must immediately stop the Wednesday project. :D Place your bets.

This is no state crisis, as a few media try to portray it as. This scenario has been forseen as a possibility, and rules have been set on how to deal with it.

Basic Law

Article 63
[Election of the Federal Chancellor]
(1) The Federal Chancellor shall be elected by the Bundestag without debate on the proposal of the Federal President.
(2) The person who receives the votes of a majority of the Members of the Bundestag shall be elected. The person elected shall be appointed by the Federal President.
(3) If the person proposed by the Federal President is not elected, the Bundestag may elect a Federal Chancellor within fourteen days after the ballot by the votes of more than one half of its Members.
(4) If no Federal Chancellor is elected within this period, a new election shall take place without delay, in which the person who receives the largest number of votes shall be elected. If the person elected receives the votes of a majority of the Members of the Bundestag, the Federal President must appoint him within seven days after the election. If the person elected does not receive such a majority, then within seven days the Federal President shall either appoint him or dissolve the Bundestag.


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No state crisis, but for Merz and his SPD counterpart Klingbeil it is a huge loss of face, and a vote of no confidence even already before the chancellor and his vice have been elected. And they fully deserve this disgrace.

Hoosh-hoosh, change the rules!

They will hold a second vote in a couple of minutes.

Imagine he wins it - and obviously with many votes from the AfD (Greens and SED have made it clear they will not vote for Merz). Then he would win the title "Chancellor by the grace of the AfD". :D
And by the way: Merz owes the fact that the procedure provided for in the Basic Law was quickly changed to the votes of the Left/SED, from whom he had the early second ballot approved. So much for the constitution.

Skybird 05-06-25 09:46 AM

Na da issa ja endich...

Merz got elected in the second run. Unique in German history. He started damaged, accumulated more damage on the road to finalising the government, and now is an already damage chancellor.

I dont say "Good luck". His credibility in my book is practically nill.

Catfish 05-06-25 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2956013)
Na da issa ja endich...
Merz got elected in the second run. Unique in German history. He started damaged, accumulated more damage on the road to finalising the government, and now is an already damage chancellor.

I dont say "Good luck". His credibility in my book is practically nill.

We all wish our leading politician the worst, for THIS IS EUROPE :D

JU_88 05-06-25 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2956021)
We all wish our leading politician the worst, for THIS IS EUROPE :D


Well... since we are in a 'managed decline' for some time now, theres little logic in cheerleading for new leaders with all the same policies and Ideological positions to those who got us to this point already.

Catfish 05-06-25 01:35 PM

^ tru, but apart from that it is an innate attitude, and good practice :yep:

Skybird 05-06-25 03:25 PM

If Merz does not make me miss Scholz one day, I already would consider Merz to have been extremely successful. :D

Otto Harkaman 05-08-25 06:32 PM

US senator says US intel should not help Germany monitor far-right party
  • Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas urged Tulsi Gabbard on May 5 to pause U.S. Intelligence sharing with Germany’s domestic agency over the AfD surveillance.
  • Cotton’s letter followed Germany’s May 2 designation of the AfD as a 'definitely right-wing extremist' party enabling intensified monitoring.
  • Trump allies, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President JD Vance, publicly supported the AfD and criticized Germany’s approach to the party.
  • Cotton wrote that U.S. Intelligence could be used to 'eavesdrop, monitor, and infiltrate' the AfD and requested a review of prior cooperation under Biden's administration.
  • Cotton’s call reflects tensions over intelligence cooperation, with German Chancellor Friedrich Merz warning the U.S. To avoid interference in Germany’s politics.
sorry didn't know the link would make you subscribe its https://ground.news/ website, you'll have to search for the article

Gorpet 05-08-25 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2956308)
US senator says US intel should not help Germany monitor far-right party
  • Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas urged Tulsi Gabbard on May 5 to pause U.S. Intelligence sharing with Germany’s domestic agency over the AfD surveillance.
  • Cotton’s letter followed Germany’s May 2 designation of the AfD as a 'definitely right-wing extremist' party enabling intensified monitoring.
  • Trump allies, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President JD Vance, publicly supported the AfD and criticized Germany’s approach to the party.
  • Cotton wrote that U.S. Intelligence could be used to 'eavesdrop, monitor, and infiltrate' the AfD and requested a review of prior cooperation under Biden's administration.
  • Cotton’s call reflects tensions over intelligence cooperation, with German Chancellor Friedrich Merz warning the U.S. To avoid interference in Germany’s politics.
https://ground.news/article/us-senat...ar-right-party

Why do you put a link i have to subscribe to ? Oh, ok ? Will German intelligence monitor the influence of Progressive American Ideology into your society.? You don't have to answer. All the above you listed screams after 80 years. All Germans, men and women wear panties. It's ok we don't want to Interfere with your life style. But ,If your government wants to join the willing and join the war with Ukraine against Russia it's not the AFD the German people have to worry about. Right? This year and the near future. Oh damn it's Otto from Kentucky, A state in our causcain history that today, just as the Germans, The entire state of Kentucky must carry the Burden of the richest of those who lived and believed. Can we trace Otto back for reparations.?

mapuc 05-09-25 10:02 AM

I presume there will not be any major changes in the German politics after the Bundestag have elected a new chancellor.

Markus

Dargo 05-09-25 10:58 AM

What I see is populist copy-and-paste work to trounce the AfD, and like all these populists do, it's a lot of shouting, but little real policy gets done. In the end, it's us who have to foot the bill for their drivel.

Anyone travelling to Germany illegally from 6 May, Merz said, should be aware that it is Schluss at the border. The coalition treaty promises a ‘deportation offensive’. To this end, Merz promises to pressure countries of origin with visas and aid funds. In consultation with “neighbouring European countries”, Merz also wants to refuse asylum seekers at the border. The latter in particular is legally highly debatable. The CDU previously maintained that asylum seekers who present themselves at Germany's borders are safe; after all, they originate from another EU country (or Switzerland). They would therefore have no right to asylum in Germany and should return to their (EU) country of origin. Neighbouring countries such as Poland and Austria have already said they would not cooperate.

The list of plagues is long high wage, social, tax and energy costs, lack of skilled workers, outdated infrastructure, Chinese competition and, recently, US economic warfare. Wish Metz good luck, as he will need a lot of this.


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