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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2727111)

The SJ is available "early", but it should "cost" you renown points, correct?

Yes, 300 points.

Ahhh!!! not expensive enough!!! lol

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2726994)

My guess here is that Tulagi is messed-up, but Milne more so. While you didn't transfer to it prior to its being "active", the Flotillas file does have it "active" prior to the base being there, and since SH4 does not use "dates" per se, but rather "time passed", that might further confuse the game, and it is probably thinking that the base is no longer active, as far as the Flotillas file goes. Plus, since Milne is "copied" from Brisbane, some dingbat forgot to change one of the "spawn-in" locations for Milne Bay... sigh. :roll: - Both fixed (hopefully) for the next version...

I believe you are correct, that both Milne Bay and Tulagi are messed up. Tulagi may be further messed by the elapsed time you mentioned above. To wit, I started 11 patrols out of Tulagi without requesting a transfer, but on returning from the 11th patrol, just as I neared the base there, the "end patrol" question came up, but did not give me an end patrol option! I looked and the Tulagi anchor was tilted, but still no "end Patrol" option. So I did what any good captain would do, searched the seas looking for a new base and found none. I had taken a save about 100 NM from Tulagi, so I exited the mission, exited the game, reloaded the game, and loaded my save. Voila! The anchor at Pearl Harbor was now tilted instead of Tulagi. The date where this miracle of base reassignment was 07/11/1944. I made it to Pearl in good order and was rewarded by a conning tower refit and twin 40mm AA guns on the table.

As soon as my boat overhaul was complete I requested a transfer to Midway, where I am now awaiting a departure date of August 9, 1944. I was tempted to transfer to Milne Bay, but I've had enough of that until a "fix" is in, so to speak. :Kaleun_Salute:

You have to be kidding me!

Who is the S2 moofmilker that thought up this mission?

https://i.ibb.co/nLgf5Kv/SH4-Img-202...-13-42-114.png

it is an agent insertion mission on Saipan in 1943, approx 9 months before Operation Forager.
Notice the drop-off location and then compare it to the enemy gun emplacements.
Geez-Louise.

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2726994)

did a little recon work......
Driving a Sargo out of Tulagi for several missions (starting early 1943).
Current date is Sept 23, 1943.
based on the discussion here and my experience with NULL dates, i changed the Milne Bay Base availability dates from NULL to the same dates as the Flotilla dates.

[Flotilla 9]
ID= MilneBayCommand
NameDisplayable= MilneBay
AvailabilityInterval=1942-04-30, 1945-01-31

;*****************************************
; F8 Milne Bay MB Bases
;----------------------
[Flotilla 9.Base 1]
ID= MilneBay
NameDisplayable= MilneBay, Australia
ExternalBaseName= MilneBay
AvailabilityInterval= 1942-04-30, 1945-01-31
DepartureDescriptionOut1= 18461968, -3258416, 2.546314

On a hunch (boom-siss), i went and checked the US Bases file for the base-definition of Milne Bay.
Here is what is there:

[Unit 25]
Name=Milne Bay
Class=NavalBase
Type=407
Origin=American
Side=1
GameEntryDate=19430628
GameExitDate=19451231

Do you see the problem?

Next issue: Why do all Kaleuns based at Milne start outside of Brisbane?
Look at the Milne Bay Departure Lat/Long Above and compare it to the Brisbane Base Departure Lat/Long Below.

[Flotilla 3.Base 1]
ID= Brisbane
NameDisplayable= Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
ExternalBaseName= Brisbane
Info= Brisbane-Base-Info
AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL
DepartureDescription1= 18381318, -3285618, 356.054810
DepartureDescription2= 18382104, -3285435, 0
DepartureDescriptionOut1= 18461968, -3258416, 2.546314

so, to fix Milne Bay as a base and the departure point

Replace the DepartureDescriptionOut1 line for Milne in Flotillas.UPC with this line:
DepartureDescriptionOut1= 18003850, -916000, 0
AND
Replace the
Name=Milne Bay
with
Name=MilneBay
in the US_NavalBases.MIS file.

For those unfamiliar with files locations,
Flotillas is located in \Data\UPCData\UPCCampaignData
US NavalBases is located in Data\Campaigns\Campaign

PB, these changes work. i am operating with them even as we speak.
https://i.ibb.co/BVpZn11/SH4-Img-202...-23-57-100.png
:Kaleun_Salute:

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco (Post 2727217)

Who is the S2 moofmilker that thought up this mission?

[pik]

it is an agent insertion mission on Saipan in 1943, approx 9 months before Operation Forager.
Notice the drop-off location and then compare it to the enemy gun emplacements.
Geez-Louise.

That has been with us since the beginning, and was previously reported and "fixed"... this, along with several other files (Flotillas, PatrolObjectives, etc) of "vintage" age were accidentally mixed into the v1.39 of the mod... oldmanitis - the landing zone was moved in the corrected file, to be "east" of the guns, around the small peninsula, and the player warned that "... intelligence reports shore guns located near xx°N - xx°E. You are advised to approach from the south east, utilizing the land as a view block..." or some-such. Thanks for the update though. That would not have been noticed as another over-sight... :roll:

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco (Post 2727240)

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2726994)

... My guess here is that Tulagi is messed-up, but Milne more so. While you didn't transfer to it prior to its being "active", the Flotillas file does have it "active" prior to the base being there, and since SH4 does not use "dates" per se, but rather "time passed", that might further confuse the game, and it is probably thinking that the base is no longer active, as far as the Flotillas file goes. Plus, since Milne is "copied" from Brisbane, some dingbat forgot to change one of the "spawn-in" locations for Milne Bay... sigh. :roll: - Both fixed (hopefully) for the next version...

Keep up man! We move ~fast~ here, at least, for me we do... :arrgh!: - that is my edju-muh-kate-ed guess also. The "fix" is in the files for the next version. s7rikeback is finishing checks on airplane files, and I am now working on eliminating "doubles" in the PatrolObjectives file, such as where a "PhilippineOPS" assignment is also used for a "Philippines" assignment, both calling the same mission file - also a hold-over from a while ago. The usual "easy" fix is to add more missions and change the assignment in one or the other Codes, but that is almost as complicated as the "easy" fix of removing the duplicate entries from the PatrolObjectives file, and then renumbering the whole thing... Scary either way. Hopefully, with all of this, and an "Objectives Checker" thingie I am working on, we won't have the occasional CTD when leaving on patrol... maybe... :roll:

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Originally Posted by Mios 4Me (Post 2722229)

- The 40 mms we upgraded to just before the start of the patrol have only a single crew position per gun, instead of two.

USS Balao has upgraded to dual 5"/25 guns in November 1944 with these issues:
- No crew positions were created for the new aft gun on the crew page
- The bow gun is unchanged on the crew page but response time is now that of an uncrewed gun
- The aft gun is reloading at the same new uncrewed rate of the bow gun.

This is one of the vagaries of the game... After receiving a new gun, and / or changing your existing gun, it is always prudent upon exiting the home port, and outside of the green circle, to Save the game, exit, re-start the game, and then Load that Save. You should then be able to put the crew at their stations on both guns, and when issuing "Battle Stations, guns", be able to "see" the crews at their stations. If not, let me know. Also, when you post back, tell me more about your Balao boat:

1. When and how did you get the boat? ie: "upgrade", new career, etc.
2. What was the date you acquired the boat?
3. Any other issues, such as patrol assignments, etc., other than the guns?
4. Are the radars functioning properly at this time, during the gun issues?
5. How did you get the gun(s)? The 40mm is an automatic "upgrade", whereas the dual 5" should be a purposeful skipper choice.
6. Were there any crew slots on the crew page for the guns?
7. Did you go back and forth on the pages, trying to "force" the game to properly display?

Thanks :salute:

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2727901)

1. When and how did you get the boat? ie: "upgrade", new career, etc.
2. What was the date you acquired the boat?
3. Any other issues, such as patrol assignments, etc., other than the guns?
4. Are the radars functioning properly at this time, during the gun issues?
5. How did you get the gun(s)? The 40mm is an automatic "upgrade", whereas the dual 5" should be a purposeful skipper choice.
6. Were there any crew slots on the crew page for the guns?
7. Did you go back and forth on the pages, trying to "force" the game to properly display?

Thanks :salute:

Hi PB,

That technique did not work. I deleted the only Save of the patrol in progress (the first with dual 5" guns), exited the program, started in port from the autosave, went out 75 km (there's no circle on Saipan, incidentally), saved, exited, restarted at that point, and ordered battle stations.

The aft gun was unmanned and no crew slots were created. The fore gun was manned but reload time was 17 seconds; on prior patrols and at normal ranges, reload time was almost equal to flight time.

Before deleting, I checked the replay of a surface action involving both guns: fore was manned but very slow; aft was unmanned but trained and fired, albeit at very slow speed.

I had tried this technique with the 40mm upgrade but nothing happened.

1. We were offered a new boat, the Balao, after ending a patrol in Tulagi, our first one based from there, IIRC. FWIW, we recently declined a far-too-early Tench, but did add four extra bow torpedoes to compensate.
2. It was offered on 2/4/43. First patrol began on 2/21/43 to the SOWESPAC from Mare Island; second patrol began the sea trials.
3. There have been several CTDs over the 18 months since then, as well as one patrol reported earlier where we encountered virtually nothing: "Other than sailing vessels, the only MV underway that we encountered was a DD we'd triggered by coming too close to one of the coastal bunkers in the Basilan Passage. Decided to raid a certain anchorage to finally score some tonnage, which led to the only MV merchant and two other warships on the entire patrol, all three anchored."
4. On the last completed patrol, i.e. just before the dual 5" upgrade, we detected a ship via sonar instead of radar, and even that at rather short range. It was visually detected in calm conditions at 8.5 km after only an unusually brief approach. The radar behaved normally after that.
5. The twin 40mm guns were a voluntary upgrade a couple of patrols ago, date unknown. The dual 5" guns were a voluntary upgrade at the beginning of this patrol in early Nov 1944.

FWIW, the original Balao AA suite was twin 20mm cannons; the single 40mm guns were a later, voluntary upgrade.

6. 40mm - one slot/gun; twin 40mm - one slot/gun; existing single 5" gun - 4 slots (constant since the 4" days); dual 5" gun - same 4 slots for the bow gun, none for the aft gun
7. Yes, on each upgrade.

By the way, is there supposed to be a crewman whose battle station is halfway up the ladder to the bridge from the conning tower, even when we're at 150 meters?

Thanks for the details. I'll do me some studying here after a while, and attempt to get this all straight. I'm in a bit of a rush at the moment, and can't decide if I have enough info just yet. When I get back to this though, I'll double-check the "purchases" then. It might be a misconfiguration issue with those guns themselves, as far as a crew goes... :hmmm:

for now, though, you were offered the Balao in Feb of 1943 at Tulagi? Did you have to move to San Francisco then? Was that first SoWesPac assignment to the Solomon or Bismarck Seas? and you then returned to San Fran, and then got a SeaTrials mission? Was your return then after May 26, 1943? What happens with the deck guns when you don't have crew slots is that the game treats both of those guns as basically "unmanned", and you are then stuck with the game's fail-safe default of a slow reload. If you want to, copy your Save folder from "cfg" on down, zip it up and link it to me, and we can see what we see in that. I'll attempt to "fix" the gun positions also while I have it, and then let you attempt to test that. PM me a link, if you want to do that. :salute:

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2727980)

for now, though, you were offered the Balao in Feb of 1943 at Tulagi? Did you have to move to San Francisco then? Was that first SoWesPac assignment to the Solomon or Bismarck Seas? and you then returned to San Fran, and then got a SeaTrials mission? Was your return then after May 26, 1943?

1. Correct, at Tulagi.
2. Yes, next patrol was from Mare Island to the Solomons, then back eventually to Mare.
3. That first patrol ended on 5/8/43; three sea trial patrols followed, the last ending on 7/8/43.

Tench Class Double Deck Gun Upgrade

Hey yall, I've been having a great playthrough on my latest campaign, but I've run into an issue. I got a new Tench Class boat, Its December/January 44/45, and I am able to kit it out with my renown, but I cant seem to get the double deck guns to show their crew slots properly. I have the bow gun slots showing but not the stern slots and I have no idea what I am missing. I've put the text from the save file in if someone wants to look at it and explain what the issue is.

Thanks :Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Salute:

Scuttlebutt says the Tench is still a busted flush, you've just proved it so it must be true, I rarely upgrade beyond a Gato sub as both the Balao (it came with issues but all good now) and the Tench have caused problems in past editions of the mod, I'm not sure the Tench can be fixed but you can ask for nothing. :yep:

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Originally Posted by Mios 4Me (Post 2728281)

Thanks for the clarification :salute:

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Originally Posted by Tucker (Post 2728410)

In the Save folder's "ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc" there, compare your "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 7" to "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 8", specifically the "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 7.CrewMemberSlotAdditionalRepository X" lines in #7. Delete the wording "AdditionalRepository" from those four lines, and your crew slots will show up again. Sometimes, the guns themselves are incomplete. Refer to the "NewColetrainsAndOthersDGfix.pdf" file in the Support / HowTo folder, on Page 3, for more info, and what else to look out for. Are you by chance using vickers' Officer's Quarters mod?

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Originally Posted by Moonlight (Post 2728421)

In theory (famous last words while coming back from patrol and s7rikeback is wining and dining your girlfriend), the Tench and Balao should both function as intended, so long as you do NOT accept them prior to their active dates. Testing on my machine has shown fully functional deck guns & crews, as well as fully funtional deck and AA guns, no matter what my choices are, so long as I adhere to proper procedures before going on patrol. I have done several test campaigns with a Gato going to a Balao in 1943, and a Balao to a Tench in 1945 without issue. The only problem being of course, "test" campaign. They are "seeded" campaigns. They are not from 1941 to 1945, involving 16+ Saves, due to "testing cycle" constraints (T-I-M-E)... lol :salute:

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Originally Posted by propbeanie (Post 2728437)

T
In the Save folder's "ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc" there, compare your "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 7" to "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 8", specifically the "UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 7.CrewMemberSlotAdditionalRepository X" lines in #7. Delete the wording "AdditionalRepository" from those four lines, and your crew slots will show up again. Sometimes, the guns themselves are incomplete. Refer to the "NewColetrainsAndOthersDGfix.pdf" file in the Support / HowTo folder, on Page 3, for more info, and what else to look out for. :

Presumably this applies in my case too?