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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Ravens! :D

I listened to part of the game on my lunch break. Sounds like they were making tuna sandwiches out of Pennington.

'Grats, AVG:up: and tell the team thanks for making my buddy from Miami shut up about "one and out"s:D

Pennington got his butt handed to him quite a few times. Picked off like an orange from the tree. The Ravens force the turn-over and I hope they continue it with the Titans. Next week should be tough. However, the Ravens defense is examplary. Sorry to see the Falcons go and it was an exciting season for them. As a team, I would be very proud of the season they had. They kind of quietly showed up and kicked ass. Next year should be very exciting and fans very excited as well.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Also, OT, both teams should be able to offensively touch the football. Sudden death sucks.

No way! :lol: Sudden death is par magnifique. No way they should change it, let the coin flip decide who gets the ball first, and the team that loses the coin flip gets a chance to show what their defence can do. If their defence sucks, tough, they lose :smug:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Also, OT, both teams should be able to offensively touch the football. Sudden death sucks.

True but I still believe both should have a chance and the clock should run 15 minutes. I think they have the OT rule like it is because of scheduling conflicts of other programs for the day.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Also, OT, both teams should be able to offensively touch the football. Sudden death sucks.

True but I still believe both should have a chance and the clock should run 15 minutes. I think they have the OT rule like it is because of scheduling conflicts of other programs for the day.

Not a big fan of the format either, but not sure if extending it 15 minutes could solve the issue. What if they are still tied after 15 minutes, either via both teams scoring or not scoring at all?

I guess in the end it does come down to teams having a well balanced defence and offence. It's like your lad Ray Lewis has said ( and many others ): " defence wins championships ".

RDP

Yep, defense wins championships. You know Ray, hit'em till they bleed and then do it again. :D

Yeah, I think (my opinion) that no matter what they do, someone will not like the format. I'm old school, I love the do-or-die sudden death format. It really rewards teams with potent defenses, like you mention, the Ray Lewis led Ravens. They could lose the coin flip, start OT on defense, and win the game for the team... their opponents might be wise to decline to receive the ball.

I could be open to a restriction on FGs in OT, maybe come up with a 30 yd max, so teams can't get the kickoff, a couple first downs and then kick a 50 yarder to win... of course, if they miss, the other team gets great field position... :hmm: nah, I like OT just as it is :) Both teams had 4 quarters to win the game when they had the ball. If regulation ends in a tie and goes to OT, it should be unfair and brutal :smug:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Both teams had 4 quarters to win the game when they had the ball. If regulation ends in a tie and goes to OT, it should be unfair and brutal :smug:

Kickboxing match between waterboys maybe?:rotfl:

Let the team mascots go head to head :D

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Let the team mascots go head to head :D

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Kickboxing match between waterboys maybe?:rotfl:

Two good options :yep::lol::lol::up:

RDP

Let the cheerleaders go at it :D

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Let the cheerleaders go at it :D

I'd buy that for a dollar:D

Anyone know what the stats are for coin toss winners scoring first in OT?

If it's way above 50% then that would be a valid justification for changing the sudden death rule imo.

Games should be won by superior performance, not by a lucky toss of a coin.

From http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html

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Football's Overtime Bias

For 30 years, the National Football League (NFL) has mandated sudden-death overtime to decide games that are tied after 60 minutes of play. The first team to score in overtime wins the game. If neither team scores at the end of 15 minutes of overtime, the game ends in a tie.

A coin flip determines which team gets the ball first. The winner of the toss can choose whether the team wants to receive the ball and begin an offensive series or pick a goal to defend.

Many people have the perception that whichever team wins the coin toss and chooses to receive the ball typically goes on to score and win the game, often on the first possession. This perception has led to calls for changes in the overtime rule. In fact, the NFL has suggested an alternative: The first team to score six points in overtime wins the game.

Total no. of overtime games (1974–2003) 365
Both teams had at least one possession 261 (72 %)
Team won toss and won game 189 (52 %)
Team lost toss and won game 160 (44 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 102 (28 %)
Games ending in a tie 15 (5 %)

Overtime games in 2002 26
Both teams had at least one possession 15 (58 %)
Team won toss and won game 16 (62 %)
Team lost toss and won game 9 (35 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 10 (38 %)
Games ending in a tie 1 (3 %)

Overtime Games in 2003 23
Both teams had at least one possession 16 (70 %)
Team won toss and won game 12 (52 %)
Team lost toss and won game 11 (48 %)
Team won toss and drove for winning score 6 (26 %)
Games ending in a tie 0 (0 %)

The data appear to support the notion that the football team scoring first in sudden-death overtime is usually the one that had won the coin toss and received the ball.

Interestingly, the cumulative data hide the effect of a rule change that occurred in 1994, when kickoffs were moved back 5 yards to the 30-yard line. Since 1994, nearly one-third of overtime games have been won on the first possession by the team that received the ball first. In the first 20 seasons, under the old rule, slightly more than one-quarter of the games were won in this fashion.

A recent analysis by economist Richard E. Hawkins of Pennsylvania State University in DuBois confirms that these differences are statistically significant.

"The analysis finds with 99.99 % certainty that the [coin] flip has made a difference in the outcome of the game over the last 10 years," he concludes. "But for the period prior to those 10 years, the coin flip cannot be shown to be important."

...well, atleast the disapointment is over with early.:roll:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'd be okay with this if the NFL's rules weren't so damned favorable to the offense (specifically, the recievers). Although, I'd doubt that any opponent would decline the ball to start with. If they want to win they'll need the rock at some point... :ping:

Personally, I like the NCAA system. But I do agree ... both teams have had 4 quarters to put it away in the first place.

Heh, maybe they should just flip a coin to see who wins, and skip all the "playing" stuff... :arrgh!:

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

...well, atleast the disapointment is over with early.:roll:

You're a Vikings ( :damn: ) fan, right?

I'd say I feel for you, bro, but I'm a Packers fan so I'd be lying... :lol: