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Catfish 02-22-25 09:59 AM

And all are debating about migrants, about the economical crisis that does not exist, and no one, apart from just of all the greens, mention the elephant in the room that is the Ukraine war.
They can soon continue debating in russian jails.

Skybird 02-22-25 11:21 AM

I would like to see tomorrow: an unexpected plus of +5% for AfD, an unexpected loss of -5% for CDU/CSU, and then watching everyone and anyone writhing. :D That view of the stupid faces would be worth pure gold. :D :O: And instead of a fat lady singing then comes Mutti announcing that she expects the election results to be annulled, that would be without alternative. :haha:

Catfish 02-22-25 12:28 PM

You know the AfD is financed and guided by Russia?
And helped by Musk, now.

mapuc 02-22-25 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2944928)
You know the AfD is financed and guided by Russia?
And helped by Musk, now.

I guess their supporters couldn't care less. They will put their vote on AfD. anyway.

Markus

Dargo 02-23-25 08:31 AM

Prediction for the AFD 22-24%

Skybird 02-23-25 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2944928)
You know the AfD is financed and guided by Russia?
And helped by Musk, now.

But sure I know. And they are on Putin's side, I hate them for it. But you still dont get it how I tick.

I see them as a much needed wrecking ball, not more.

A nice short headline yesterday in some paper: the moment the CDU coalates with the Greens, the AfD immediately will gain another 5%.

Minimum, i would add.

When you exclude and kick out 20-25% of the voters in a free election (with a voter turnout of 85% that might be around 15-17 million of the people living in Germany!) , when you, like Merz did, say "you can vote AfD, but be aware that already the next morning you will find you have wasted your ballot", when you accept as a claimed former conservative party to run left-extreme policies just so to not negotiate with the AfD (while with no other party in the Bundestag you have so many shared positions!!), when you do not bring up laws or decisions in the Bundestag becasue you are afraid that the AfD maybe would agree but you do not want AFD votes even when the other parties also agree, when you accept that a screaming but small minority of the population enforces its left-leaning ideologism on the the vast majority of the population not wanting that, and destroy the very fundament of th eeocnomy and energy system - then you steal democracy from the people, you betray the election, and you piss on the vioters. You run a conspiration of the political elites against the people of the Federal Republic of Germany.

Wreck that house! Wreck it. Its rotten, its deeply corrupted, its done. The natural progression of a dilapidated building is its collapse. Lets save time and help it in that.

If that were to happen, our chances afterwards would not be good and a lot of things would be tough as nails. But if things continue as they are, we have no chance at all. I choose the risk and the uncertainty from a new beginning over the certainty of doom.


So as I see it we only have the choice between lousy chances, and no chances at all. That bad things stand. This far the selfdestruction already has progressed.

Dargo 02-23-25 09:23 AM

Same wrecking ball as 5 March 1933 a dangerous gamble I would say especially what you see across the pond be careful of that. This is going above your head, this is all Kremlin playbook to divide the west, make it weak. And who is gone to suffer? Exactly the people not them in power, we will only become weaker so at next Yalta they can carve us up between each other. And no, we are not the two parties that carve up this new world. It’s a cult of power, and power only speaks to power.

Dargo 02-23-25 10:12 AM

What pro-Russian Telegram channels are sharing ahead of the German parliamentary election
https://texty.org.ua/articles/114515/

mapuc 02-23-25 11:18 AM

A vote on AfD. does not change anything-Germany have passed point-of-no-return.

Guess this is the reason to why so huge a percentage do not vote today.

Markus

Skybird 02-23-25 12:19 PM

Unfortunately you are wrong, mapuc, turnout has been 84% - the highest since reunification.



It seems the Green slost just 1.5%. i dont get it why they do not get punished.



Bündnis sara Wagenknecht does not make it over the 5% hurdle, that si quite certain already.


FDP is at 4.9-5.0% currently, so we do not know whether the ymake it or not.



If they make it, there will most likely be a coaltiion of CDU, SPD and Greens.


If FDP does not make it, there will likely be a coalition of CDU and SPD.


As I have predicted, the EU loyal, Euro loyal, woke, left, greenish-red or reddish-green policy will continue. The main core topics will remain another four years unadressed and untackled.



I dont care for what Merz does next. He will turn coats, and he will fail, like he did all his career long - Take me by my words, the next government, whoever it will look like, has already failed. Their probpems are the same like before, their degrees of freedoms are as minimal as before, and their policy will be as left as before.


Mark my words, and remind me of them in four years - if then you still dare. If nothing chnagesk, then nothing changes, right? If tried solutions failed, more of the same failed solutions must fail again, yes?

Skybird 02-23-25 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2945088)
Same wrecking ball as 5 March 1933 a dangerous gamble I would say especially what you see across the pond be careful of that. This is going above your head, this is all Kremlin playbook to divide the west, make it weak. And who is gone to suffer? Exactly the people not them in power, we will only become weaker so at next Yalta they can carve us up between each other. And no, we are not the two parties that carve up this new world. It’s a cult of power, and power only speaks to power.

The AfD is not the NSDAP. Thats simply bollocks. Always was. It is extremely conservative, and there is a Nazi wing in it, yes.

Most AfD voters, the overwhelming majority I would claim, are not Nazis. But ordinary people who have the nose full of the bull the other parties impose on them year in, year out.



Why dont you complain about the Maoist and Marxist camps amongst the Greens? Amongst the SPD? And that the SED still is in parliament as if its crimes never were committed?

Meloni in Italy formally is fascist. Is Italy's government policy fascist? I cannot see that.

Catfish 02-23-25 12:26 PM

Too early yet. But AfD got way too much votes. Still, it seems a coalition or opposing the AfD will get Ukraine more support, and weapons.

mapuc 02-23-25 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2945116)
Too early yet. But AfD got way too much votes. Still, it seems a coalition or opposing the AfD will get Ukraine more support, and weapons.

Making the same mistake-treat the symptoms with painkiller instead of treating the cause for this pain.

One has to ask WHY is so many putting their vote on AfD. ? one-fifth of the voters have given AfD. their vote.

Markus

Skybird 02-23-25 12:41 PM

Wyh nthe AfD doubled its outcome? I have said it severla times now. Because most of its voters are totally mpissed by the sh!++y policy the other parties enforce on Germany.
Sie haben einfach die Schnauze voll von links-woke-gender-EU-politisch korrekt-Heizungsgesetz-Inflation-Abgabenwahnsinn. Auch von Ukraine.


If the next government does not make dramatical progress and a dramatic turnaround on ideological topics, I predict that at the next elections AfD will become the winner of the elections then. If they do not get prohibited beforeand do not make terrible mistakes themselves.

Dargo 02-23-25 12:49 PM

Turnout in the German parliamentary elections around noon on Sunday seemed to be higher in many places than in the previous 2021 elections. Especially in the state of Thuringia, turnout was a lot higher than at the same time in the previous elections. By noon, 44.5 per cent of voters there had cast their ballot, compared to 24.6 per cent in 2021, reports German newspaper Bild. Turnout also appears higher in Berlin for now.


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