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Jimbuna 10-27-23 06:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4wrQOBI44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0XRRVydkVU

Jimbuna 10-27-23 12:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYd2vk2_6g0

Dargo 10-27-23 02:22 PM

The Israeli army has entered the Gaza Strip with ground troops and tanks, Israeli media report, based on reports from Palestinians. There were reportedly firefights between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian fighters in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli army has not yet responded to the reports. Earlier this evening, the Israeli army announced it was expanding ground operations in the Gaza Strip. The scale of these operations is unclear at this time.

Jeff-Groves 10-27-23 02:44 PM

It's all just a continuance of the True start of WWI.
WWI started as soon as the America's were invaded by Europeans.

Ya'll ain't never had Peace on your side of the World and spread War where ever you go.

So let's Let lose the Dogs of War and get this over with!

Otto Harkaman 10-27-23 03:20 PM

https://youtu.be/Gv7Sf6ecNok?si=gqGxl2lMQT_eyvLk
https://youtu.be/hgZBgC5t8TI?si=7wgJ-dxtoKbW76Hr

Jeff-Groves 10-27-23 03:36 PM

No way those in Gaza didn't know of the attack before hand.
So all are guilty.
All Hamas leaders should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden and taken out.

They all get 72 Virgins anyway.

Moonlight 10-27-23 04:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ggBF9rnBe0

mapuc 10-27-23 04:35 PM

Could Iran be so brainless that they decide to intervene against Israel ?

It would not be Israel they have to engage they have also to face USA and some European countries.

What I think they will do is sending a lot more ammo to Lebanon and Syria. Volunteers would take part in the war from Syria and Lebanon. But directly Iran is going to stay out of it.

Markus

Skybird 10-27-23 04:50 PM

In a way the war between Iran and Israel is hot since decades already. Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran proxies. A second source of motivation for Hamas at least is German Nazism and Hitler's "Endlösung der Judenfrage".

Its still disgusting to me how often I have been told in these countries down there that I could be proud to be a German - proud for what Germans have done to the Jews 8 decades ago. And they mean it when saying that! Wiping Jews off the Earth to these people is an accomplishment, the attitude is no "exception from the rule", but is very common.

mapuc 10-27-23 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2889764)
In a way the war between Iran and Israel is hot since decades already. Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran proxies. A second source of motivation for Hamas at least is German Nazism and Hitler's "Endlösung der Judenfrage".

Its still disgusting to me how often I have been told in these countries down there that I could be proud to be a German - proud for what Germans have done to the Jews 8 decades ago. And they mean it when saying that! Wiping Jews off the Earth to these people is an accomplishment, the attitude is no "exception from the rule", but is very common.

Israel and Iran has been at war with each other by proxy-for decades.
What I meant was that Iran intervene with a directly attack on Israel with their ballistic missiles or fly as close they can and fire long ranged air-to-ground missiles. Iraq would look the other way.

I don't know if Iran is brainless enough to do it. Well I don't think they will.
Only time will tell, if I'm right or badly wrong.

Markus

Jimbuna 10-28-23 04:24 AM

The BBC's Rushdi Abualouf, reporting from Gaza, says the north of the Strip was hit overnight "on a scale we’ve never seen before"
Israel's military said last night that it was intensifying its bombing of Gaza and that its ground forces were "expanding operations"
It says that overnight it hit 150 Hamas targets and killed the head of Hamas's paraglider operations during the group's attack on Israel on 7 October
This morning, Israel's military spokesman said forces had entered Gaza and were "still in the field", and a video showed Israeli tanks on the move
Communication networks in Gaza went down last night, meaning residents can't be contacted - and we don't have any casualty figures
The UN General Assembly called for an immediate humanitarian truce, with 120 states voting for a resolution put forward by Jordan

Jimbuna 10-28-23 04:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51zUpqrz9E

Skybird 10-28-23 06:09 AM

^ Israel does what it thinks it must, and I am not opposing or criticising it, since I have no better idea to offer. Anyone knowing a realistic, working, better option? Tell the world.

Dargo 10-28-23 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2889819)
^ Israel does what it thinks it must, and I am not opposing or criticising it, since I have no better idea to offer. Anyone knowing a realistic, working, better option? Tell the world.

Israel and Palestine has to come together with a solution, both have to agree to live together without killing each other they are the only parties that can solve this, nobody else.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Confucius
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.


em2nought 10-28-23 12:57 PM

The minute Israel stops defending themselves they'll all be dead. Israel should have been paying attention to what's getting taught in American universities as well. Those old Nazi hunters didn't need to retire, there's still a job for them. :hmmm:

Skybird 10-28-23 03:50 PM

Gaza and Westjordan have two totally corrupt regimes that dictate the going in their realms, and they both do not want just a part of the cake - they want it all. Like orthodox Jews as well. In case of Hamas you also have a mixture of old Nazi thinking, anti-Jewish racism and Islamic supremacism.


This will never get settled. Never. Islam has dispise for Jews deeply engraved in its genes, and in thje Werts anti-semitism never was completely gone, too, is always present in disguise. Just thjatWetserners do not do that eaisly anymore what Hamas did three weeks ago to innocent families, babies, parents.



This war in my view holds a realistic chance of that Israel will not surive as a state. I dont say its the mostg lkely scneairpo, but it is a realistic scenario. Also if Israel gets so much under pressure that it uses nukes (I am sure they have).



Herman van Creveld is a famous military historian of Jewish descent, I red severla of his books. Despite his international fame his people in Israel do not like him, since he tells them since years, if not decades, that Israel'S position in the place where it is is such that it strategically it is so utmost vulnerable that in the long run its obgoing existence is questionable. Says a Jew who may not be liked by his countrymen, but who supports this same country Israel. He just tries to stay sober in his thinking. And sober thinking cannot conclude that Israels outlooks are optimistic.



It will fight to survive, of course. What else should it do.

Dargo 10-28-23 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2889883)
Gaza and Westjordan have two totally corrupt regimes that dictate the going in their realms, and they both do not want just a part of the cake - they want it all. Like orthodox Jews as well. In case of Hamas you also have a mixture of old Nazi thinking, anti-Jewish racism and Islamic supremacism.


This will never get settled. Never. Islam has dispise for Jews deeply engraved in its genes, and in thje Werts anti-semitism never was completely gone, too, is always present in disguise. Just thjatWetserners do not do that eaisly anymore what Hamas did three weeks ago to innocent families, babies, parents.



This war in my view holds a realistic chance of that Israel will not surive as a state. I dont say its the mostg lkely scneairpo, but it is a realistic scenario. Also if Israel gets so much under pressure that it uses nukes (I am sure they have).



Herman van Creveld is a famous military historian of Jewish descent, I red severla of his books. Despite his international fame his people in Israel do not like him, since he tells them since years, if not decades, that Israel'S position in the place where it is is such that it strategically it is so utmost vulnerable that in the long run its obgoing existence is questionable. Says a Jew who may not be liked by his countrymen, but who supports this same country Israel. He just tries to stay sober in his thinking. And sober thinking cannot conclude that Israels outlooks are optimistic.



It will fight to survive, of course. What else should it do.

Nukes on whom? That who'll we/they gone to drop nukes is not where the weapon is made for any more dropping this weapon does not solve anything, makes it only worse any support you had in the world you lose the minute you drop a nuke. Since 1948 both Israel and the Palestine have tried to erase the other both parties are at fault, both sides must talk to each other if they want to survive.

mapuc 10-28-23 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2889886)
Nukes on whom? That who'll we/they gone to drop nukes is not where the weapon is made for any more dropping this weapon does not solve anything, makes it only worse any support you had in the world you lose the minute you drop a nuke. Since 1948 both Israel and the Palestine have tried to erase the other both parties are at fault, both sides must talk to each other if they want to survive.

On whom ? On those countries who may intervene on Hamas side of the ongoing war. Here I'm mostly thinking on Iran and Syria, maybe Lebanon too.

Could this be the reason why US has sent two of their carrier to middle east. Preventing Iran and Syria to take part in the war ?

If people is awaiting Israel using its nukes, then they only have to wait until Iran has got its first couple of nukes.

Markus

em2nought 10-28-23 04:49 PM

If only giving Israel a strip of land the whole way along our border with Mexico and leaving the Palestinians in place to revert to the stone age would be workable solution. :D

mapuc 10-28-23 05:18 PM

Many years ago a Danish blogger wrote an interesting post.

What would happen if People of Gaza and Denmark changed place and then take look at Denmark and Gaza 10 years later.

Gaza would be a part of Israel.
Denmark would be partial occupied by Swedes and Germans.
(this is what I could remember)

Markus


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