good post and agreed... I dont even have the game, but i have SH3 and SH4 and Sh3 was good, SH4 was bug ridden, and SH5 seems to be completely screwed. I feel that this is the way the gaming market is going lately, especially for PCs. Addons and sequels seem far more buggier than the last. Another example of this is the Total War series. Its too bad.

At least the modding community will prob turn Sh5 into a 9/10 game. But we'll just have to wait. All the tools are there so there is still promise. I definately wont be buying till the price drops to about 10 bucks, and by then im sure the mods will be out full force.

:o Ubi has beta testers

In fairness, I can't remember buying any software that worked perfectly from version 1.00 straight out of the box. And I'm not just talking about games. I think this is just the way that the PC software market works.

And I think almost every game community comes up in arms exactly like this one every time it happens. I think its just about right to move with the times and accept that this is the way it is going to be. I personally don't give the PC game market more than another 5 years. It always used to be the case that people bought high-spec PC's and games because they always looked better than their console counterparts. However this seems to have ended, we're now in a world that the PC version and the XBOX version not only look, but play in exactly the same way. The only thing that the console users miss out on is mods, and to be fair the average console user doesn't really know they exist, so doesn't miss them! (and who knows that the next generation of consoles will bring....)

I love PC gaming, have been a PC games since before I remember, and its such a sad state that the PC games industry has gotten itself into. :cry:

I do love your command of the English language 4Para. Whatever you write - it always makes me smile:up:

It's a simple case of managing the clients expectancy. They even have names for them in the real world....Customer Relationship Manager for example.

The reaction to mismanaged expectancy encountered here is very normal, for humans anyhow. There's no point trying to have a go at people who are frustrated by bad expectancy management....it wont make them feel better. No, the only thing that makes customers feel better is good expectancy management.

There, I give you that one for free. Will there be anythig else ?

Cheers, UG.

Just a quick comment on that, as long as people had computers on their desks, there were games to play on it. Don't worry, there'll be games for computers long after we're both dead.
It's just in a bit of a slump now.

Is 4Para Brian Blessed in disguise? I swear I could imagine Brian saying that....

Not if it stays cloudy! :nope: (Forgot to wear a coat today and it's raining... bleh)

My son got a Playstation 3 the other day.....its quite pretty.

In the interests of getting with the times I bought Battlefield 2 Bad Company. I had such a ball playing Battlefield 2 on the PC, and still play it using the Project Reality mod (excellent mod by the way).

I got bored of the Playstation version after 10 minutes. It doesn't come across as a serious gaming platform in my humble oppinion. The controls are not very responsive or accurate....but I did like the 5.1 sound.

If consoles are the future of gaming then i'm gonna get some fishing rods and a deck chair.

Cheers, UG.

One can only hope!

Fishing Rocks!! The surround sound is way better than any 5.1 system in my opinion. I feel the same way...put a controller in my hand and I feel like I'm wasting time. :haha:
If I'm playing SH5, I can delude myself into feeling productive :salute:

OT:

Ubisoft forums are down. (EDIT up again but slow)

Strange isn't it ?

Too many complainers posting awfull threads at once ? :D

And just when I saw a "OSP & Server Downtime" thread by a forum admin...

No, you haven't got it right. It actually goes a little something like this:

Ubisoft continually releases software before it's ready: NO MORE UBISOFT

This further delay may have something to do with the eruption in Iceland.

Or.

Ubisoft have finally learnt their lesson and are allowing the Devs to finish their work.

This delay of course means that this will definitely be the last Patch for Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic :yep:

I wonder if it is because of the volcano....:rock:

GIVE ME PATCH, OR GIVE ME DEATH!


Hey, you're right... this is fun!

JCC

Hi all,
I think that all we can say is that Ubisoft has shown very poor planning management abilities... At first becaues they were forced to release something unfinished for commercial considerations (schedule elongation?), and at second because they have no idea of the time required for the planned SW fixing activities. That's all.
I think they have no bad intentions, the developers are probably very good (you have to be more than good in programming to produce such a SW), the same probably can not be said about their management... It is a quite common problem, in my opinion! :)

Bye,
Mith

Not strange at all that the Ubi servers are down.

Everyone is logging in to complain about the missed patch date, and that crashed the server. Ubi will probably claim another DDOS attack....

We'll have to pry the patch... From Their COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!
Let's Tread on them!
:haha:
I'm really to laid back to be a revolutionary...looking forward to hearing the new fixes though.

Yeah, US!

You didn't buy software in pre internet era.

And before someone comes out and says "oh but software wasn't so complex", let me point that developing tools scaled with complexity so, actually it's much more easier to code and add content nowadays than 10 or 20 years ago when developers, aside from some compiler, had nothing to begin with.

You could count the bugs in complex and content rich games like Ultima 6,7 or Civilization (just to name a few) on the fingers of one hand.

The same could be said about consoles. Patches spread only with these generation of consoles. In the past, every bug that slipped QA was there to stay and game developers got very bad rep from that.

How many gamers are old enough to remember the Bethesda "Buggerfall" fiasco? To be fair, Daggerfall was relatively bug free, if compared to the state of some software (even blockbusters) that gets shipped today.

Maybe software publishers are lucky that today generation of gamers is relatively ignorant of how things were in the past. But to the 30-something generation, the "release today, fix later" politic is complete, utter crap.