I hope I am wrong on that, too, because if I analysed correctly the way they tick, war with the US sooner or later is inevitable.

Really. I want events proving me wrong on all this. The good fairy queen popping up. The one alternative that did not come to my mind. The good daydream that turned true against the odds.

Just more appeasing of NK - that I must reject completely. NK and countries like it should never be allowed to hold certain biological or nuclear weapons. NEVER. If that means to completely obliterate such a country, then so be it.

It is not a good feeling that we have KJU on one side and Trump on the other. Between them they would have trouble matching the emotional maturity of a teenager.

Calm heads and rational thinking is what is needed. I am not optimistic

Definitly not a good feeling, Platapus.

Let's hope they just talk, as angry, pubertal, teenagers do...
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/08/po...ump/index.html

Given the two persons involved, that's probably a very apt description.

And now I'm reading that NK has stated they are planning on making pre-emptive strikes on Guam to contain the US military assets stationed there??

Not only are they throwing sand at each other, but one of them just grabbed a rock and threatened the other's little sister.

Push the button and l et'em fly.

. . . and kiss your ass goodbye!!:har:

Trump would take military action, but he is impeded by those darn bone spurs...





<O>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaEsRQRsXWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va54WZgPTdY





<O>

I've never been optimistic even when we had better leaders (Clinton, Bush). Everyone seems content to issue warnings and declare NK will not be allowed to have nukes without actually doing anything other than making treaties that NK easily breaks without significant consequences.

Allowing a rogue state to have nukes and ICBMS... there’s a decent chance that they’re going to get used. Sooner or later the North Korean regime is going to collapse and Kim Jong Un or one of his successors is going to end up captured by a mob and strung up on a lamppost or taken before a firing squad like any tinpot dictator (see Romania’s Ceausescu or Libya’s Gaddafi). If Kim Jong Un or some descendant of his sees his regime collapsing and he’s going to end up dead, what are the odds of him deciding to push the button and make sure that whatever mob or coup is taking him down doesn’t end up with anything except ashes.

^ This. And I remind of Hitler's reasoning (summarised in my words): "If the German people cannot win this war and cannot survive as heroes against our enemies and cannot defeat America and England and Russia , then Germany deserves to fall and shall not live on anyway, and all cities shall be devastated." I say: Kim ticks like this, too. But as I said earlier, I do not expect anyone in the West to do anything about it. The Donald once again has spoken like thunder, he is a theatre man after all, but it is just hot air. McCain's assessment most likely will be proven right. Its just a thunderstorm of mighty words: the sound fades, and then the air is still again. The threat against Guam means nothing as well. And when nobody does anything right now - then NK will end up with having nuclear ICBMs.

I've given up on trying to weigh up how serious NK are in issuing these repeated numerous threats but I certainly believe that should Guam be attacked, Trump will have every backing he needs from the US military and a majority of US citizens to retaliate proportionally or even more so.

Is it still a no-go to just kill the leaders of an obvioulsy suppressed country?
I mean is it always needed to first kill of millions of civilians, until the boss runs away, or dies?
Get a commando in there and remove the ruling class. :arrgh!:

I guess it depends on who takes over after the boss. Removing Kim is probably fairly easy.

NK is now threatening Guam where a couple of FBM submarines are in port at all times ...

The best thing for Trump is for NK to make the first move and blow him out of the skies and the water and launch an all out attack.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the POTUS have to get Congress to agree to a first strike? Would it be the entire US Congress or would just a few on the intelligence committee be enough?

About this threat of a preemptive strike in Guam, you shall ask yourself-if I remove the way Kim talks and behave in his country, are he capable to do such a thing ? Are he aware of the response if he should do such a thing ?

About the first question I can't say for sure
Second question-He does know that there will be a hard response.

I can't see that Kim & Co is really pressed not yet. I have a feeling that he has a backdoor, a backdoor named China, who will give NK aid and other things. meaning - these embargo and sanction will not have the impact our Western leaders have hoped.


Markus