no,no,no evolution works by you not producing viable offspring. For instance you live in northern latitudes so you'll need a pale skin to absord Vitamin D, you live towards the equator you need a dark skin to minimise skin cancers. If you stand in the sun you don't become a black man, what happens is (on a statistical scale) you die. The people with darker skins (statistically) live. Adaptation is pretty much a non happener, it's just survival of the fittest (to survive).

You three speak all of the same thing.

Now add the (huge!) role of random mutations, and the non-linearity of the process, and you are complete.

@Skybird
Exactly.:yep:

I wonder is any of you catholic?

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0802496.htm

I am Catholic, but I don't believe we just evolved from apes into humans because God wanted us to. I think it might have been something like that. But I don't think an ape just suddenly turned into a human.

Humans are apes ;)
Allso, noone is sugesting apes suddenly turned into humans.

Wow. So many untruths and false interpretations, so few sentences.

First it's the ACLU who's after your religion, then it's me. Stop feeling so goddamned hated and get over yourself. I've got lots of Christian friends, and most of them are fantastic people. It's the paranoid generalizing ones I can't stand ("atheist love"? I suppose you also believe that all gays wear pink and partake in parades every spring, and that all feminists are physically violent man-hating lesbians).

Well, isn't the Pope Christ spokesman on earth?

First of all, the evolutionists have it backward.

Humans did not evolve from the apes

Humans are evolving to the apes

What does a male gorilla do?

Sleeps 16 hours a day, Sleeps when he is tired, gets up when he is not tired
Grabs a handful of food when hungry
Grabs a female gorilla when feeling randy
Goes back to sleep


What does a male human do

Sleeps about 6 hours a night if lucky. Goes to bed when not tired, gets up when tired to go to work all week.
We don't eat when we are hungry because we are watching our weight and eating healthy.

We do this in the pathetic hope that one weekend we might

Sleep 16 hours a day
Grab a handful of food when hungry
Grab a female when feeling randy
Go back to sleep.

Looking at the two species, it is obvious which is the more "advanced".

It will take humans a long time to evolve to the apes :up:

Now where have we heard this before? "But-but some of my best friends are Black/Jewish/Whatever!"

More strawmen. I have said NOTHING about my feelings on homosexuality or feminism. Good to know that Safe-Keeper feels free to ASSIGN beliefs to his debate opponents. Whereas if you look at my comment, Safekeeper DID in fact display disdain for Fundamentalist Christians by using the word "fundie".

An obvious sign of someone whose beliefs can't stand on the merits. If SK had BOTHERED to read my past posts he would have seen that I AGREED with the ACLU in the courthouse case, but that would take a modicum of self-control & nuance.

Typically, it's the other person who's "DISTORTING" Safe-Keeper's words. I used to think that accusing people of "Projection" was just a cheap pseudo-psychological cop-out.

Now I'm not so sure.

Oh, and I bet Safe-Keeper thinks all people in Wisconsin are drunk Packers fans wearing cheesehead hats. He's an evil WISCONSINIST!!!! Quick! Ban him!

See how easy that was? :rotfl:

And I still don't get this. It's OK to try to convince people that Atheism is the truth, but evangelizing in the name of a religion amounts to "Pollution" and must be stopped? Maybe someone can explain the distinction.

Nobody tried to convince you or anyone else of atheism. that would be a most absurd intention in itself anyway, because atheism is not an idea - it is the absence of (theistic) ideas - not more. It's just that you already feel attacked when somebody insists he does not want to hear about your relgious belief , and that you should keep it were it belongs: with yourself, privately.

When somebody tells you he wants to live with less noise from you and tells you to reduce the volume of your rock'n roll music, this does not mean he tells you you should listen to his own jazz. He just tells you he does not want to need to listen to your own music. So reduce the volume of your radio so that nobody must care for your listening habits anymore, or use headphones. when you cause the noise, you are responsible to reduce the noise. You have no right whatever to demand others to change their lives and live with your noise.

In other words: keep thy religion to thyself.

I'd love to know whether most Atheists think that the same principle applies to those who try to convert religious believers to Atheism. Perhaps this principle is just a one way street, with religous believers expected not to share their beliefs?

Stop worrying about atheist and leave them alone with your pro-theistic sermon or anti-atheistic slogans. Then they will not need worry about you and leave you alone, too. I personally, for example, don't give a damn for what you believe, and why, and how, I am not interested and do not care wether you practice voodoo or dance around golden statues or read in the Bible. I also do not respect your religion - but as long as you do not confront me with your religion or try to change the society I live in according to your religious views, I would not tell you that and leave you alone. Just when you constantly reserve the right to argue against me not sharing your believe, and try to give me a bad name when not sharing your camp, and forcing me to need to listen to you, and try to poish an agenda to spread your relgion into the society I live in and that bases on a constitution that separates state and church - then you force me to worry about you.

Keep within your borders, and live in peace with your neighbours. Step over the borderlines, and face your angry neighbours.

Without any tresspassing - no counterreaction.

In all my years wandering on this earth, I have never met an atheist who tried to "convert" a religious person to atheism.

Most atheists I know just want to be left alone without people trying to "save" them.