I think you'll find that most Scots don't mind if their MP's won't be able vote on English matters, we don't give a toss, TBH.:03: They can't vote on anything related to Scotland if it's already under the purview of Holyrood! The same applies to the Welsh and Northern Irish MP's as well.

But, be careful what you wish for.

It's Labour who are going to get shafted by the English votes on English matters regime at Westminster. They appear so thoroughly afraid of nationalism that the chances of re-labelling themselves as "English Labour" seem remote, at the moment....:hmmm:

The Conservatives, and/or UKIP, may well be the dominant force in English politics from now on.

Mind you, there is a silver lining for England. The more responsible for raising it's own revenue Holyrood becomes, the financial grant it receives from Westminster will reduce in proportion. Sooo, you won't be able to complain about subsidising Scotland anymore!:O:

Mike.:D

Who paid for a very expensive referendum?

The Scottish Government will pay for the Independence Referendum, but as it's funding is received from Westminster, everyone in the UK paid for it, you, me (a No voter) and people from Wales and Northern Ireland via the taxes we all pay:

https://fullfact.org/live/2014/sep/w...ferendum-35217

Why did I vote no?

I did not, and do not, trust a Holyrood administration to run the economy properly. This is regardless of political party. As things currently stand, it isn't responsible for actually raising most of the revenue it spends. What knowledge it has is going to be largely theoretical as it has no experience of actually raising finance to fund it's spending programmes. It has no real knowledge of the nitty gritty, if you like, of how to run a country. The Scottish economy is also unbalanced with too large a financial sector and way too many people in the state sector. There are also way, way too many people unemployed or in crappy part-time jobs which mean they have to claim benefits to survive. That is a huge drag that needs to be reformed.

The same applies to England, but on a far larger scale.

The devolution offer that the three amigos vowed to deliver gives Holyrood the chance to gain experience in actually running an economy, rather than spending money it's been allocated by another authority, in this case, Westminster. It will be responsible for it's decisions both good and bad, meaning that it has less excuse to blame Westminster. It will still do so, of course, if it's the SNP in power or Labour having to deal with a Conservative UK government. The same applies to Cardiff and Stormont.

What I find slightly frustrating, if you will, is that many in England seem to be of a "if I haven't got it, neither should they" mentality. What's wrong with thinking "if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me. I want some!" instead?

I actually support and approve the idea of devolution in England. It isn't right that Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MP's are able to vote on things in England that they and the English ones can't in their own countries as it's a devolved matter. The West Lothian question must be answered, and if that means "English Votes for English Matters" then that is only fair. It's also unfair that spending per head is higher in Scotland than elsewhere. Per head we actually generate more tax because of the oil revenue. With the conditions I wrote about above, because it'll be generating a greater proportion of it's own revenue, Holyrood's portion of the Barnett formula will reduce with time. If Westminster's smart (not guaranteed of course!) it will use the money saved by allocating it to the other areas of the UK.

All that this thread has accomplished in it's 222 pages is to let people vent their frustration about something they feel they can't really change. You can. If the referendum up here has done something right, is that it's re-engaged the general population in political activity which has put the political elite on notice that they can't ignore us any more. They do so at their peril as there are now four million-plus politically radicalised Scots who would be baying for their blood if they did. That's good democracy.:up:

But, you don't need me to patronisingly lecture you. England's future is in it's own hands, it just needs to grasp it.

If that ultimately leads to the break up of the United Kingdom, then that's a risk that must be taken.

Mike.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29299230

Well, that's a nuclear strike if ever I heard one...of course exactly how feasible it is is another matter...but considering the glacial movement of the minimum wage under the ConDems, this could get a few votes towards Labour if they advertise it right.

I take your point Jamie but NMW is going up to £6.50 (a rise of 19 pence/hour) next month so an extra £1.50 in six years time equates to a yearly rise of 25 pence...not all that much in the scheme of things.

I was informed that NMW was going to £7.

I wonder what next, will Border counties try to change to north or south rule?

Will Mel Gibson get sap of the year for braveheart?

Will Alex Salmond make a hollywood film - Brave Arse?

Will The Orkneys go for home rule?

Will Denmark try and claim back the islands?

Will Whisky be on prescription?

Dont forget, these and more answers in the next episode of Westminster Walk, a multi part none ending soap on your left wing BBC.

The minimum wage is a disgrace and will continual to be a disgrace, all the parties spout off BS on this one and care too note Labour's promise of £8p.h. to be by 2020.

The following bit of info came from the radio and this presenter is very much up on the world of Westminster. He said there are 5 million workers on benefits in the UK and I can state for a fact I'm one of them.

Most jobs are now PT or ZH, not many are FT. I only have a PT and dam lucky to get it, asked many times for a spot of OT and the answer always comes back no there is no extra work needs doing.

Cost of living is rising, personal debt is rising and our national debt is rising. There will be no end to this in and out of recession as I see it.

That's the big problem, the cost of living, if that could be brought back under control then things would be a bit more manageable and minimum wage rises wouldn't be as necessary. :hmmm:

Might as well try to jump to the Moon while we're at it... :/\\!!

Not forgetting the goal posts are always being moved by the government's of the day so they look good.

The truth is out there....Forget UFO's its the facts about our economy are being kept from us.

I agree. :up:

Seconded. Whilst they're at it, they should make Zero Hour contracts illegal as well.:up:

Mike.

I agree then lets see what the true unemployment figures are instead of what the lying Tories say is.

Governments don't move goalposts, Badgers do. :03:

http://maxcdn.politicalscrapbook.net...10747022_n.jpg

:har: :har::up:

The only possibility of that (and a small one at that) would be a Labour government giving in to trade union pressure.

Does those figures mean 5 million people on benefits in the UK, not 'workers'. Because 2 million of those mentioned are foreigners who have no right to benefits in our country.

David Cameron...."The NHS is safe in our hands".

Forgive me if I find that hard to go along with after a NHS leaflet came though my letter box today. My nearest A+E about 7 miles away will be closing this October making the next nearest A+E over 12 miles away! :nope:

Well that's real nice of the twisted tory party, thanks for nothing. :mad:

The Tory toffs hate the NHS they try to destroy it every time they get in power, bastards they are.

Tribe - how long have you lived here in the UK?

Less than 5 years, yes no entitlement
Over 5 years yes, but only if you have been working

Who says?

The Law

As much as I dislike the Unions tendency to play politics rather than actually represent the people they're supposed to, this is one area where Labour could safely do a U-Turn. It actually might be a vote winner as the concept isn't exactly popular with ordinary working people.:hmmm:

Zero Hour contracts are a utter travesty. Ordinary people fought long and hard for things like holidays with pay and paid sick leave. I've no desire to see working conditions slip back to a pre-WW2 level.:down:

Mike.