Latest odds for Clacton by election
UKIP 2\7
Tories 5\2
Labour 25\1
LibDums :har::har:

Clegg's work is cut out for him as a male prostitute, sex for votes. He's going to need a barrel full of Viagra or two. :03:

Love the odds and Steed- send me a few tabs!!! :rotfl2:

Lord Ashcroft Polls:

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/08...ory-territory/

They are making a film about Nick Clegg and his role in the coalition. Apparently they are looking for someone to play his part who the same strength of character, integrity, honesty and fondness in the eyes by the public.
How they are going to make Justin Bieber look that old is beyond me.

How do you ruin a party?

Make Gordon Brown the leader.

as a former member of HM Forces I can assure you its not 'hogwash' - we in the UK are in greater danger now than we ever were during the Irish Troubles of which I was closely involved.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/osborne-un...0.html#GOnUEdF

Probably had a kinky bankers orgy. :03:

Precisely

David Cameron recently said, "I don't call them the Lib Dems anymore. I call them the Dems, cos Dems is my bitches."

John Mann can talk, he scooped thousands in the expenses

As a former member of the armed services who was closely involved in the troubles as well as borneo and Malaya, Paddy Ashdown says it is no greater danger than has been dealt with before, is being over hyped to spread fear among the population and to rush through knee jerk legislation which will severely infringe on everyones liberty.
Seems like that former member of HM armed services is assuring people that it is hogwash.
I wonder which one of you is correct?

Ah but he is not only a politician but also a liberal, two reasons for not listening to him.

He is a former member of HM armed services who served during the troubles, you claimed that as the foundation of your expertise. He also served with MI6 which puts him as more of an expert than you.
Does his word carry more weight than a politician who did nothing but politics as that is who you are agreeing with?
Face it Red, you are writing off one politician because he is a politician and simply going off the guff from another politician instead.
Since Ashdowns history nullififes your "I was in the army" line it appears that all you have left to back up your view on which you give people your assurances is a notion based simply the right wing populist political affiliation you choose to follow.
Doesn't seem like that assurance of your amounts to a hill of beans does it:yep:
Did you object to Red Kens reaction to the bus/train bombings simply because of the side of the political spectrum he is on?
He may be scum but he certainly shone during that episode.

Samson used the jaw bone of an ass to defend the Israelites , George Galloway's attacker broke the jaw of an ass for the same reason.

hey Tribe, you are reading inference where it does not exist. I am well aware of Paddy's background. He served as I did.

What I am infering is that personal beliefs and political viewpoints cloud a persons view, as they do mine, I freely admit that. But does that make me a liar, mistaken etc. All it says is that opinions differ. Which is the basis for discussion, but not arguement.

The inference is from.....as a former member of HM Forces I can assure you its not 'hogwash'
What inference can be drawn from that other than the one that was drawn?

The argument/discussion is about emergency legislation.
We have already seen emergency terrorist legislation impacting on ordinary people going about their law abiding business and removing their civil liberties, it has covered journalists peaceful protesters, campaigners of every description and even victims of crime.
The problems with such emergency legislation are great and widespread.
Their impact is always far wider than was ever intended or can ever be justified and rarely effective as to what it was intended to do.
Take two centuries of British "anti terrorist" legislation (introduced and supported by liberals of course). Its a catalogue of disaster and misuse.
People who exchange liberty for the illusion of security deserve neither.

Or as in the closing line from....

Lessons from the United Kingdom

Laura K. Donohue
....
In adopting counterterrorist law, countries need to be cognizant of both the possible domestic impact of counterterrorist measures and elements forcing temporary measures into permanent entrenchment in domestic law.


So the question is this.
Do you trust a politician to implement law which only does what it is intended to do, not extend it to areas where it was never supposed to cover, repeal the law when its "scare story" justification is over?
If your answer to any of those 3 parts is no then how can you support the introduction of any such legislation?

David Cameron is to stop UK born jihadists from returning to the UK.

They'll just have to use a lorry from Calais like the rest of them.

Another Tory about to leave...

Chris Kelly to stand down as Tory MP for Dudley South

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29007855

Labour should regain the seat next May, and he probably knows that, and that is why he as resigned