I thought it was about gays conspiracy to take over the world to legalise screwing little babies.

Yes.. lets talk about this in civil and intelligent way.

How do you mean?
maybe a starter of "nonce finally jailed".
a couple of :woot::woot: posts .
a smattering of "hanging is too good for him".
then perhaps a cheeky "he should have used Jacksons lawyer" for a funny finish.

But that would be sensible.

Just to set the record straight for everyone - I have the utmost respect for the Mods here - and I think they are ALL good folks doing a bang up job for the most part. I simply think that they are wrong on this so I'll leave my sig out there as a "protest".

I will say this - I challenged them on it - and you see how they continue to take a very measured, controlled response. That says something good about them and the way they work.

I have had my dealings with the Mods here myself at times.
I have the utmost respect for them and the job they do.
:salute:

We don't always agree, but then I don't always agree with the Boss (Nancy).
At lest I can turn the computer off.
:har:

(Don't you dare tell her I said that!!!)
:o

Well I think our treatment of ZeeWolf exemplifies the attitude moderators have to this stuff. Neal has always asked us to take a light touch and only get involved when things are really getting out of hand and going way too far. It took quite a bit of hate filled bile from ZeeWolf before he was given a time out.

What Tribesman said in this thread frankly is not hate speech, for many different reasons (more reasons than I have time to detail right now). He is also applying the main weapon used against people that hate, and that is ridicule. That is what "rip the piss" means... to laugh at them. As for him referring to Zee as possibly being homosexual deep down, I would say it is more than possible (the thought crossed my mind as well). He is absolutely correct when he says that it is very common for the most vocal anti-gay people to actually be gay themselves. They are using a psychological defence called projection, where they project their own internal stuff onto the world around them as they can't accept that which is inside.

Homophobia is fear based more than anything else from my experience.


So at this point I fail to see exactly where the issue lies.

I've long learned to let people be regardless of their race, religion or sexual preference and take people one at a time, long as they don't harm me or try to force their opinions on me.

I'm more agnostic as I get older, but I don't have a problem with believers, if God tells them to do something, OK, it's only when God tells them to tell me I have to do something that I have issue.

Just to remind you that there is little if no empirical evidence to bolster this claim, amongst psyhcologists this claim is pasisonately discussed, at least it was like that at my time.

The claim is mostly given because the psychoanalytical projection defence mechanism is a known concept to the wide public and nicely serves the purpose of claiming a rethorical victory.

It compares to "women not ready for sex are frigid", and "When she says No, deep inside she means Yes."

Or in short, I think for the most the claim is illustrating a cliche. Or compares to depicting critics of Islam as being "phobic" of it.

Well...he might had been molested by bunch of puppies in his childhood.

I think we've lost sight of the real point of this thread.

The marigolds I planted this weekend look great. :up:

Run through the really loud ones in the past couple of decades.
Maybe it is only noticed so much as they make such a big song and dance about it it really clatters very publicly when they fall.

Well if you want to introduce that angle.....
You provide a perfect example of that angle since in one of your displays of your phobia you managed for some strange reason to post an article complaining about black people, it is exactly how those phobias display which is caused the breakdown in the rational thought process.
As it complained about muslims and black people it must be right as it complains about muslims, the fact that it was by a crazy racist arab religious extremist is irrelevant and what he was actually saying is irrelevant as it complains about muslims and complaining about muslims is good.

Lets run through the circular logic you display when you let your phobia run wild.
all muslims are bad
look at he fundamentalist nutty ones
look at what the fundy nutty ones say their scripture means
the modern fundy nutty ones are the only true muslims
the fundy nutty ones say they are so it must be true
the only muslims are the fundy nutty ones
all muslims are bad.

Though your adherence to the crazy conspiracies of Bat which defy all logic or reason might make a better example of islamophobia in play

In fairness though your phobia thing does go on to other religions, we had the atheist(humanist) politician who was somehow part of a secret catholic plot by the vatican to take over europe for errrr...the muslims, we had the evil protestants forcing you to pay taxes simply for being German.

I agree and disagree. In this case I was referring to the most rancid promoters. There has definitely been a trend among very public and vocal anti-gay people, of engaging in gay relationships in secret. Do I think everyone who hates or fears 'fags' are secretly gay? No, but I would not be surprised if a number of them feel this way because of their own internal uncertainties. Others feel this way because of dogma or tradition.

As for empirical evidences, of course there is none, there can't possibly be any given the nature of the beast. How can you quantify and measure such a thing empirically? This is aside from the fact that I reject concepts of empirical evidence as being non-scientific (you cannot prove things with facts, only disprove them).

As for Islam, I think there are plenty of people that are phobic, in that their fear and issues are largely irrational, even if they do present a rational front for it.

Anyhow forgive me if my posts are not up to my usual standards, I am very busy and also rather sleep deprived. Both of which limit my ability to give carefully thought out statements.

Finally! Someone who has understood the dangers of those insidious little goblins! Sure, they might look at you with their cuuuuute big puppy eyes and wag their tail for you, but the moment you look elsewhere, they are contemplating conspiracies of most sinful in nature!

Don't believe me? I have a proof of their evilness!

The truth is out there man! :o

(Fair video content warning: includes more "cute" than "NSFW" but if you are hyper sensitive about young male dog doing what it finds natural, then don't click.)

Speaking of marigolds. Frank Perdue feeds his chickens marigold pedals and buds. Apparently the colors of the buds provide a specific hue to the skin of the chicken.

Facts that you just don't need to know in life but all the same your covered on Jeopardy if you are asked. :up:

You aren't kidding. Look at this vicious attack on a baby!

http://i.minus.com/i5hLN1fwNE3OD.gif

We must ban the killer...puppies? I mean clearly their vicious, um milk teeth are, er, a threat to the...

Aw, toss this! Look, the point is that we must ban something, so get on with it already!