Audi, part of the VW empire, will shut down at least one production plant in February, with 3000 employees.



Mercedes has demanded a penalty fee for drivers of gasline-driven cars, it should be used to compensate Mercedes and other German brands for losses from their e-car-exclusive portfolios since German customer do not want to buy neither e-cars (sales numbers have dramatically collapsed) in generla nor Geran e-cars ins pecial due to their very high prices and high follow-on-costs that ordinary employees and households simpyl cannot afford.



What do we learn? If the one product - ecars - that you offer without any alternatives is not wanted by customers, call for totalitarian measures and planned economy to force people to like what they do not like (and still could not afford). This will people terach how to like what they do not like, and buy what they cannot afford. :yeah:


A recent survey showed that a signfivcant part of German ecar customers sold their cars early again and refuse ti buy an ecar aagain. The disadvantages simply are that big. Its not just the high costs, but also the terrible range. Because ranges announced by car makers are blatant lies, calculating with half of these values, all too often even one third only in winter, is more realistic, it depends on the brand, model and market it was produced for. It gets worse with the long charging times (if you have a charging point in your vicinity). They say onb TV that it obly is about the bad chargign infrastruicre. They are wrong, that is just one of the reasons people turn away from ecars.



German brands have cimnjitted thnesleves to develope exclusively ecars only, no more gasolinbe.driven cars. Thats what now falls them on their feet. Asian car makers all produce - and develope! - technology-open, including combustion engine cars. Tnhats also true for China where the government has started a big initiative for favouring e-cars. But even Bejing is not so stubbornly prohibitve as Brussel and Berlin wnat to handle this issue.


In the end, reality will be smashing into ideology like an asteroid and make a pig's breakfast of delusional ideological megalomania. The EU policy of banning non-e-cars soon will not survive. And many other of its green agenda targets as well. They have lost all sense of proportion and realism. US and China will do their thing, and Africa, Asia, the Middle East and South America do not need to listen to their European master lecturers anymore.

Expensive or not-From 2030/35 there will not be allowed to produce new car with combustion engines. It will still be allowed to drive your car who runs on diesel or gasoline.

This mean you have to buy an e-car if you want a new car after 2030/35

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Around 2030-35 the US, Asia and Europa industry will transfer to electric, hydrogen. Nuclear and other renewable energy so production will cause that prices will go down. This is no transition only in Europe this is worldwide the industries already started so that will be the future already too much money is invested in that. It is like we have gone from sail to steam to fossil fuel propulsion, this can not be stopped any more. And if you missed that boat, no pity on you, that is how capitalism works.

I think you are a bit wrong here. I believe e-cars will be more expensive than gasoline/diesel car have cost. As you wrote - 'that is how capitalism works' and a capitalist want money a lot of it.

Since there's no other option than buying an e-car the market can put the price they want and to fight cheap cars from China and the rest of the world, EU will add extra taxes on e-cars from these countries, so they cost more than an European e-car.

This is what I think.

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That is the EU thinking. The plan will not hold together. ;) In fact pressure is already mounting on the central committee in Brussel to delay the dates, or scrap the whole plan.



And hydrogen, if at all, only will be used inbdustriually, in some lighttower projects. The chemical agent H2 simply is a terrible storage format for energy, and it will never find its way ito orivate ohusehold heating in large sclae, as they primised in Germany.



Having plans is nice. But working they must. This one's a dud. Any gaps caused by distortions and frictions ignored will be filled by the global competition, which is quite unfriendly and increasingly gives brown stuff for EU plans, ideas and intentions. The EU less and lesser is in a seat to dictate its demands to others in the so-called third world. Its also no cultural and philosophical centre anymore, but a dying cultural sphere, with rotting neurons. Its heavily depenbding on the improt of ressources, and will become increasingly dependant on produced items being imported as well. It will depend inbcraisnbgky in questions of wanted and unwanted migration, too. Its militarily impotent. It increasingly petrifies in overboarding bureaucracy, paralysing itself.



Reminds a lot of the end game of Rome.

With ecars alone, it is just that you do not see the exhaust since it is beyond the horizon, in form of coal or other power plants.
The energy loss by electric line resistance over long distances is high, as well the rare earths for the batteries and solar cells are gained by abusing child labour in Africa.
Add this to the total energy bill to create an electric car with its plastic body (made of oil products) this whole thing is a waste of energy and not sustainable.

Hydrogen would be better, but again the energy needed to produce it has to come from somewhere, and it is unsustainable..

While this is technically correct, the same has to be taken into account with combustion engines. When you fill your tank from a pump at the filling station the petrol/gas/diesel already has produced emissions - about 30% of the amount the burning will produce, so usually a combustion engine’s car has a 30% higher emission rate than usually counted. If you count that for electric cars you have to count it for others as well.
Refining and cracking crude oil requires a lot of energy.

Correct - but crude oil and its products need to be transported as well.

This is misleading in many ways.
1) Critics of electric vehicles usually have no problems with rare materials production for other products, making them hypocrites.
2) Unless you want to return to hand ranks to start your engine combustion engines require a sizeable amount of rare earth metals as well - the startup engine (Anlasser) is an electric motor with a permanent magnet, usually neodymium based.
3) Lithium Cobaltate (III) based accumulators are already considered third rate. Current generation Lithium accumulators already require far less rare earth metals, and it’s very likely that the next generation of Lithium accumulators won’t require any typical rare earth materials anymore. Things will be even more interesting once sodium- or aluminium based accumulators hit the market.

Correct, but once again it’s a problem that all cars share - so this is an argument against cars in general. In that regard cars don’t have a future in general (and that’s what really needs to be discussed).

Hydrogen has a very low density, and a car simply won’t be able to transport enough of it to achieve an acceptable range. Even if pressurised up to 700bar the amount won’t be anywhere near enough (and 700bar are a real technical problem, your average gas bottle is built for 200bar max. Making 700bar gas bottles shock resistant enough to survive your average accident impact while maintaining an acceptable overall mass of the vehicle is simply not possible).

You are right, but hydrogen also diffuses through the walls of steel tanks (if slowly), so one solution could be those 'Brennstoffzellen', where you just produce the amount of h. that you need at the moment.
Plastics are also crude oil products, so it will not be possible to take this out of the equation entirely.
We have done some research on cumulative energy bilances and at least fo now this technology needs more energy and causes more pollution than a conventional car - if you argue with fuel consumption think of battery life and electronics maintenance when the car gets older than 4 years..

Hydrogen is particularly important for the process industry. It is now mainly used for the production of fertiliser, but in the future it can also be used for high-temperature processes such as steel production, for which natural gas or coal is now used. In addition, hydrogen will play a role in mobility and where electric driving is not a solution, the airline industry (by using synthetic kerosene aviation fuel), and long-haul transport (by operating on fuels made from hydrogen, methanol or ammonia). We need hydrogen for seasonal storage and for stability in periods of low wind and cloud cover. Hydrogen can be stored under pressure in existing salt caverns and empty gas fields. The European Union's aim is to install 40 GW of electrolysis capacity in the Union by 2030 and another 40 GW in North Africa. Countries such as Norway, Australia, Morocco, Chile, Saudi Arabia, China and Japan are very active with green hydrogen, mainly because there is considerable (potential) availability of cheap renewable energy from wind, solar or hydropower to produce green hydrogen. We in the Netherlands are in a good position thanks in part to our knowledge of gas and electrolysis technology, the great potential for wind energy in the North Sea and the energy-intensive industry we have enough empty gas fields so building hydrogen factories (Shell's Holland Hydrogen 1 (HH1) will have a capacity of 200 megawatts and will be fed with renewable electricity from the Hollandse Coast North wind farm, which Shell built together with Eneco.) that will deliver it to our heavy industry and export. Our railway is already running +90% on renewable energy if those hydrogen factories running we will go to 100% we also gone use it for heating our cities.

[Tichys Einblicke] The Ides of November take place on the 15th and 16th. Following a certain tradition, the traffic light [coalition] could be murdered on this day. If the coalition does not agree on a budget that complies with the “debt brake” after November 14, the day of the “adjustment meeting”, the FDP will leave the federal government. The reason for the exit is perfect: as Finance Minister, Christian Lindner cannot accept the adoption of a questionable budget with high debt financing.

The FDP is already putting forward candidates for the Bundestag elections, which are not due to take place until September. These candidates are being prepared by the party leadership to be ready for the election campaign earlier. On March 2. This is when Hamburg elects its parliament. The leadership sees this date as suitable for holding an early election at the same time.

It is unclear whether the SPD and the Greens will play along with these plans. On the one hand, they have the option of agreeing to the FDP's conditions for tactical reasons and adopting a budget that adheres to the “debt brake”. FDP leader Christian Lindner would then be forced to continue swallowing red-green toads. The SPD and Greens could still push through their projects and cover them later, for example in the summer of 2025, with a supplementary budget. This would fall on Finance Minister Lindner's feet during the election campaign, which would then definitely be underway.

Secondly, Olaf Scholz cannot simply be voted out of office. In a constructive vote of no confidence, a majority in the Bundestag would have to explicitly agree on another candidate. Without votes from the SPD and Greens or the AfD, this would not be mathematically possible. After a failed vote of confidence, Federal President Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD) would have to decide whether the Scholz government is still capable of acting. So even if the FDP recalls its ministers from the government and no longer supports the coalition in votes, there is a good chance that Scholz could remain in office.

German media started rumouring that the coalition government will collapse this evening.

The timing with the election result in the US is no coincidence, they hoped for Harris and did not make a plan B. The budget for 2025 is disputed and includes an official deficit of 10-12 billion, more realistically counted 45-50 billion. They cannot agree. With the Saint coming marching in :D, they probably see no future anymore.

But maybe little Olaf is just afraid that he'll have to shake big Donald's big dirty hand. :haha:


https://www.focus.de/politik/tag-der...260457432.html

^ not sure this will happen, "Focus" after all.
But if, who shall take over this mess. Sarah Wagenknecht and Alice Weidel?

I bet someone here would like that.

AfD 17
SPD 16
Grüne 11
BSW 6
CDU 34

:hmmm:

BILD reports finance minister Linder (FDP) just suggested to Bubble Olaf that he should clear the path for snap
elections at the beginning of the next year.