Yes, I am increasingly afraid he will. He has used all kinds of banned weapons against civilians, what kind of a man is that? Not to mention all the assassinations of political opponents etc.

WAKE UP! This man IS just like Hitler!

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...ing-in-ukraine

^ I feared someone would correct me

You right he has used banned weapon type on the civilian in Ukraine.

I am and will never support Russia and/or Putin-My heart is with the Ukrainians. If there should be any doubt.

Markus

I just searched for annual average weather statistics of the Ukraine. And on wind I found that for Aprils, 3.6 weeks in that month the wind is coming form a southern and southwestern direction.

That would mean that any fallout cloud from a nuclear explosion would get blown directly and straight towards Belarus and Russia.

In summer months, the dominant wind direction changes by almost 180 degrees, however.

Personally I think that the use of C.wepoaons agaiunst ciuvilkian areas and N-weapons of any kind is the overstepping of a red line where NATO must enter the war for mere self preservation. Becasue then Russia at the latest has turned into an unpredictable rabid dog running amok.

Before the war, Scholz stupidly spoke of "strategic ambiguity" and he was very proud of that clever terminology he had learned there, and he meant to not say what sanctions would be like if Putin attacks, so to "give Putin something to think". We see how intimidating that strateigc ambiguity was. Now NATO and the US say they do not want to reveal what consequences there would be if such weapons get used, only that there would be "severe" sanctions of any kind. Why is it that I find this attitude totally unconvincing like already the first time?

NATO/USA should use informal and unofficial contacts to tell their counterparts on the Russian side that NATO will enter the war in full strength and with all consequence, including bombing Russia, if they cross that red line.

I base on that there are many people who, if their very own surviuval and that of their own families is under imminent threat, will overocme their fear of Putin, and take care for him being removed from office one way or the other.

Its bad to get intimidated by Putin. But its much worse to let Putin even know that one is intimidated. Sometimes, a bit more Klingoness from our side might not be a problem, but the cure.

From memory

- We will under no circumstances take part in the war

Can't remember who spoke those words.

I remember thinking-And if Russia use weapon of mass destruction ? Will NATO still stay out of it ?

Markus

We cannot sit and watch while in a neighbouring country the Russkies go nukie-wild. Next they then turn berlin or Warsaw, Paris or Budapest into ashes.



If they start nuking around, we must go to war.



I think Putin'S suzrrodunign will not allow him to order that, will ntoi carry the orde rout, will assassinate him, whatever. However, hope is no strategy. I insist that we get ready to play hard ball if they prove me wrong and do it.



If they set others ablaze, they must burn with them. They better know it, they better get told that, and they better get told that in a way that they believe it. Subtelty is not helpful when bringing such messages, me thinks.


Klingoness. Whatever you think of it, it has one advantage: it leaves no doubt open. In principle it is what Kennedy did during Kuba when the Sovjet ships approached that line. They changed course not before it was the last of the last moments.

^ You know the best thing would be if Biden said to the Russian

You fire one nuke - We fire one nuke against you
You fire 10 nukes - We fire 10 nukes against you
You fire 100 nukes - We fire 100 nukes.....

Now to a real life discussion

The bussdriver said something interesting to me yesterday.

- Do you remember this pilot who toke his life by flying into the mountain side and toke all these innocent with him.

I answered him

- I can't tell if Putin is thinking of taking his life- I've heard and read a lot about medical expert saying Putin is sick-Maybe cancer. But yes a person who decide to commit suicide can very well take others with them.

Markus

I know we gave up our intermediate/tactical nukes for battlefield use in the IMF treaty....that Trump wisely pulled us out of so we could play the nuke game on the battlefield, thus in theory a stalemate, but no clue how far we came with the program since.

As I said elsewhere, we didn't have a use of intermediate/tactical nuke doctrine on the battlefield per the IMF treaty, so we really had no way to respond if Putin did except a larger attack, which would go all out, so Putin in theory doesn't think we would. However, Trump pulled us out of the IMF so we could match nukes on the battlefield. I think we're gonna have to get involved at some point, but I think it should be focused, small and see if we can prompt Putin to leave or let him decide to escalate. Since they're doctrine is the use of nukes to combat overwhelming conventional forces, I'd prefer us using cruise missiles to take out bridges, infrastructure in Crimea and Belarus and a no fly over western Ukraine before they get ground forces and systems in we'd have to take out. If we went all in, knowing Putin tactical
nukes would come into play

I was convinced that tactical nukes wasn't stronger than 5-15 Kiloton.

According to this wiki page it's not so much how strong the nuke is, it's more where you use it.

If you use a 1.2 Megaton on the battlefield it's a tactical nukes. If you use it against military installation it's a strategic nuke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon

Markus

I know the Ukrainian gave up their nukes in the beginning of the 90'ies.

Some minutes ago I saw a yt-viewer post following

they gave up their nukes and got a security guarantee from the U.S., the U.K. and Russia, known as the Budapest Memorandum.

I made a search for this Budapest Memorandum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budape...ity_Assurances

Never heard of it.

Markus

It's both size and where you use it. You're not gonna use a large nuke to take out a square mile. I think it was H. Bush admin all our short range/tactical were basically taken out of service with the Russians, tho they I believe later ramped it up. Trump took us out of the IMF which was intermediate. I think a lot of this was China, N. Korea were building non strategical nukes. Russia, China and N. Korea have been developing nuclear weapons with "smaller yields, improved precision, and increased range for military or coercive use on the battlefield;" while our doctrine is strategic only.

"In December 2017, Bill Gertz reported, “Russia is aggressively building up its nuclear forces and is expected to deploy a total force of 8,000 warheads by 2026 along with modernizing deep underground bunkers, according to Pentagon officials. The 8,000 warheads will include both large strategic warheads and thousands of new low-yield and very low-yield warheads to circumvent arms treaty limits and support Moscow’s new doctrine of using nuclear arms early in any conflict - it is clear that these states have a monopoly on the deployment of both strategic and nonstrategic nuclear weapons and, critically, their capabilities are growing. Equally worrisome, they also have a monopoly on nonstrategic ballistic and cruise missile nuclear capabilities..”

"The United States has one type of nonstrategic nuclear weapon in its stockpile, the B61 gravity bomb. The weapon exists in two modifications: the B61-3 and the B61-4. A third version, the B61-10, was retired in September 2016. Approximately 230 tactical B61 bombs of all versions remain in the stockpile. About 100 of these (versions −3 and −4) are thought to be deployed at six bases in five European countries: Aviano and Ghedi in Italy; Büchel in Germany; Incirlik in Turkey; Kleine Brogel in Belgium; and Volkel in the Netherlands. This number has declined since 2009 partly due to the reduction of operational storage capacity at Aviano and Incirlik (Kristensen 2015, 2019c). The remaining 130 B61s stored in the United States are for backup and potential use by U.S. fighter-bombers in support of allies outside Europe, including northeast Asia."

So I guess we can and we may soon have to make it part of our doctrine.

The west must assist, The big question for the everyday joe in America.Is why?

Damn Neal, You surprise me America and it's politicians for decades have been making the right decisions haven't they. So now you advocate the United States and all of its allies. Ramp up the conflict with Russia over a country that we know to be corrupt. The son of our current president was under suspicion of being bought.