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mapuc 09-13-24 04:02 PM

So much for Germanys closed border

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Germany don agree to open dia doors to 250,000 skilled and semi-skilled Kenyan workers in wetin dem call, controlled and targeted labour migration deal.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cp3d3341kgpo

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Jimbuna 09-14-24 09:11 AM

Surprised it wasn't the UK Government.

Skybird 09-14-24 10:40 AM

To make this clear: German economy and caretaking impossibly can do without migration. Migration we need. Also we do not have problems with and troubles from all, from any migrants, but only specific migrant groups: Muslim migrants not in totality but by majority, since they tend to form closed parrallel societies refusing integration, and amongst these again make young more or less radical knife-swingers, West-haters, girl-rapers and social losers who got spit out already by their own home nations and societies and had a criminal record aleady back there.

We need migration. It will not help Germans to stay German, quite the oppoosite, but it is inevitbale to maintain the social services and economy that maintain our state structure.

We just need to elarn to not let in just everybody and anybody, but to select. We have the right to chose whoim we let in and whom not, but if you say that in Germany, you get almost instant-lynched. We must learn to let those in who are willinh to integrate fully, who are specialised in those professions and skills we need on the labpour market, and very much preferred: who are not Islamic (which is another taboo to mention, but who am I to care for taboos).

For these eligible migrants we need to make things easier. There is too much bureaucracy. There are thousands of Ukrainian doctors and nurses amongst those refugess, who desparately wait for allowance to work, but who are not allowed to work since their qualification is endlessly worked on back and forth in the bureauracy - while we desperately need doctors and nurses. Instead the number of Ukrainian women and girls working in brothels or "escort services" have exploded. And I think its a safe bet that most of these did not do it voluntarily, but out of financial need.

German language learning is mandatory, of course. And I am strictly against dual citizenship like the current chaos government has introduced. If you come as a flreiogner to Germany and want to live here forever, you have to chose between your wol and your new nation/culture/home/you name it. No split loyalties, I do not accept that, I demand exclusive loyalty - to Germany. I demand too much for you? Pack your things and leave. Dont bring your old culture here, we are a culture already: we are Germany. Your culture has no place here, your old cultures place is back where you came form. If you prefer that, stay there, dont come here and demand citizenship. Its either your old one - or our new one. There canot be split loyalties: these would imply unreliability and untrustworthiness. Tjhats how I feel about it, thats the attitude I meet you with. Your old palce is of no interest to me. Its of interest to me only if I go there.

Needless to say: we need a total reformation of our asylum laws. The current ones base on conditions and idealistc assumptions that are no longer valid, stem from a different time and world. The world has changed, and mass mirgaiton nowadays even gets used by our enemies as a weapon to do damage to us, things have changed against us. We are in danger to get overrolled by both the world - and our own asylum laws. We need to get much more restrictive. Most Germans have understood that and even demand it - just the Greens and the Reds have not. They enforce their fanaticial policy against the overhwelming majority of Germans.

Hence: the AfD...

Jimbuna 09-14-24 10:51 AM

^ It would be great if the theory would only work with practice.

Dargo 09-14-24 11:35 AM

Most discussions are about so-called irregular migrants, those who arrive in the European Union (EU) without visas, most migration is actually regular in other words legal. For instance, nine out of 10 Africans come to Europe with a passport and visa in hand, which goes full against public perception. 90 per cent of migration is regional, with the vast majority of migrants seeking refuge or better job opportunities in neighbouring countries. There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so. In fact, there are already tons of existing treaties, directives and policy documents that constitute sensible migration policies. We just need to start implementing what is already there. Stricter border control is likely to lead to more migrants trying to reach Europe via complicated routes and thus to a greater sense of loss of control, a vicious circle.

Shadowblade 09-15-24 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2926414)
So much for Germanys closed border



https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cp3d3341kgpo

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Germany doesnt have enough "doctors" and "engineers" already?

I read that incoming IT workers dont need to have IT skills, which is crazy <facepalm>

Skybird 09-15-24 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2926535)
There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so.

Its on the highest level since Merkel's triumpg 2015. In the East, its not better.

Sorry dude, but what you wrote sounds almost like whitewashing the situation. Greece and Italy, also Poland, are extrneel yangry at Germany coinsideirng to control its borders, since this mess at their won outer bporders last but not leats cas been caused by Merkel, and they solved th eissue by flushign the masse sof people through and to Germany, if Germany does not take all these illegal migrants in anymore, they would need to confront the situation and make even more unpopular decisions themselves.

Migration is NOT under control as you imply, nor does Europe have a sovereign stance of self-made decision on who gets in and who not. Its a political battlefield since many years.

Also, demadns to send refused asylum seekers back is pointless if the countries they stem form do not take them back. Thats why the Ger,man quta of send-backs is pathetic at best. We could make economic aid and such depending on their willingness to comply (they are their citizens, after all), but that is still seen as off limits since it is "not nice."

By the end of the day we could - relatively easily - close Europe's borders and control the influx - others showed it can be done for sure. But European activists and politicians do not want that, for ideological reasons.

Sooner or later they will find out they must, or Europe turns into Africa and the Middle East, like in some regions it already has.

An international survey across two thirds of African countries from several years ago, maybe ten years or so, showed already back then that minimum one third of the Africans are wanting to move north, if only they could. And that was the kindest scenario they concluded on. Africa in total has short of one and a half billion. By the end of this year it will be 26 million more.

How many migrants you want to have? 100 million? 200 million? Half a billion? Ask, and it can be done.

“Anyone who thinks they can help by bringing half of Calcutta to their home is mistaken. He becomes Calcutta himself.” - Peter Scholl-Latour


Edit:
I have just read that the Dutch government wants to declare a state of emergency in order to circumvent the current, overly lax asylum laws and stem the influx of migrants.

Shadowblade 09-16-24 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2926535)
There is no migration crisis in Europe right now, even if politicians and many mainstream media often make us believe so.


ofc there is migration crisis in Europe - that is the reason why EU invented "mandatory solidarity" (which is oxymoron and reskinned mandatory quotas) to force us to accept illegal immigrants or pay "protection fee" to not have them here.

Jimbuna 09-16-24 11:15 AM

Germany reintroduces border checks to far-right praise as EU tensions mount

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Germany has reintroduced temporary checks at all nine of its land borders in a move that has drawn criticism from several of its European partners but praise from the far right.

The embattled coalition government in Berlin said last week that checks already being carried out on its borders with Austria, Poland, the Czech Republic and Switzerland would be extended to France, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark.

The decision came after a series of deadly knife attacks in which the suspects were asylum seekers, and historic successes by the far-right, anti-immigrant Alternative für Deutschland party (AfD) in two crunch state elections in the east of the country.

Nancy Faeser, the country’s interior minister, said the border checks would curb migration and “protect against the acute dangers posed by Islamist terrorism and serious crime,” but critics have denounced it as politically motivated and likely to be largely ineffective.

Europe’s passport-free Schengen zone, which includes 25 EU nations plus four others including Switzerland and Norway, allows free movement without border checks and is thought of as one of the bloc’s biggest achievements as well as a critical economic asset.

Temporary checks are allowed in exceptional circumstances to avert specific threats to internal security or public policy. Eight members currently impose them on selected borders, citing increased terror threats or pressure on asylum capacity.

Poland’s prime minister, Donald Tusk, was the first to openly criticise Germany’s decision, calling it “unacceptable from Poland’s viewpoint” and demanding more help from Berlin in securing the EU’s external borders rather than tighter internal controls.

Warsaw has proposed consultations with all EU member states bordering Germany to address a decision Tusk said was a result of the country’s “internal political situation” and could lead to “the de facto suspension of the Schengen agreement on a large scale”.

Greece’s prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, said on Thursday it would be wrong to “move to a logic of ad hoc exemptions from the Schengen agreement, with border controls that will … hurt one of the fundamental achievements of the EU.”

The response, Mitsotakis said, “cannot be unilaterally scrapping Schengen”. Others, however, were more sanguine, with the Czech interior minister, Vit Rakusan, saying he did not expect much material change as checks would mostly be random.

Far-right leaders were jubilant in response to the news. Geert Wilders of the Dutch Freedom party (PVV) said Berlin’s decision was a “great idea” and asked when the Netherlands would follow suit, while the Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbàn, said on X: “Welcome to the club.”

Marine Le Pen of France’s National Rally said her party had proposed a “double – external and internal border – system” in recent elections and been told it was not possible. “Now Germany is doing it,” she said. “When will France follow?”

Giorgia Meloni’s far-right Brothers of Italy party has praised Berlin’s decision. Orbàn’s chief of staff, Gergely Gulyás, said laxity on the EU’s external borders combined with tougher internal border checks were combining to “destroy free movement”.

The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, whose divided three-party coalition is trailing far behind AfD and the centre-right opposition Christian Democrats (CDU) in the polls a year before federal elections, has defended the decision.

With days to go before another critical state election in Brandenburg which the AfD is expected to win, Scholz told parliament the move was necessary and the government would “continue with it, even though it is getting difficult with our neighbours”.

It is not yet clear what the impact of the increased border checks will be. Berlin has pledged to “coordinate closely with our neighbours … and keep the impact on everyday life in the border regions as low as possible”.

The interior ministry last week insisted the measures, scheduled to last an initial six months, would be in line with existing border controls – in other words, random spot checks or targeting specific vehicles based on police intelligence.

Freight industry representatives have said they believe the tighter checks should not lead to excessive tailbacks and consequent economic losses, but associations for cross-border workers have said they will be watching the situation closely.

More likely, analysts suggest, are rising tensions with Germany’s neighbours if the checks – along with plans to make it easier to turn people back directly at the border – lead to authorities returning many more people to the country they arrive from.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...9f81b790&ei=61

Dargo 09-16-24 12:40 PM

And guess who got caught first, some Dutch hashish smugglers :)

Jimbuna 09-16-24 01:00 PM

First place of residence in Holland was Bergen op Zoom and driving to Germany for a few days respite I was stopped three times and the vehicle was searched for drugs, or so they said.

I believe it was the English number plate myself.

Dargo 09-16-24 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2926599)
Edit:
I have just read that the Dutch government wants to declare a state of emergency in order to circumvent the current, overly lax asylum laws and stem the influx of migrants.

One of the ruling parties (NSC) will not agree to emergency legal measures to curb the number of asylum applications if the cabinet's chief advisor, the Council of State, gives a negative opinion on that construction. It does have to comply with the constitution and treaties. Indeed, the Aliens Act can be partially set aside if there is a war situation or other ‘extraordinary circumstances’. The Prime Minister has not yet got the motivation right, for instance, the cabinet has not yet established when the Netherlands will be overcoming the asylum crisis. It has not been agreed, for instance, how much the shortfalls in reception for asylum seekers must have decreased for the crisis measures to be withdrawn again. Whether it will get there is a big question far right has a lot of blah blah.... but that is also all, and they are only one of three if one does not want it there is not going to be an asylum crisis created.

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The utter funny thing is if we want to close the borders(Symbol politics)... We... need migrants, we do not have the border guards for it, we have a huge labour shortage LOL. Far right "we need to cut in the ministries a smaller government, but we need two new ministries for our far right thingy" fun years to come I am stocking up the popcorn better investment than far right in a government.

Shadowblade 09-16-24 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2926787)
First place of residence in Holland was Bergen op Zoom and driving to Germany for a few days respite I was stopped three times and the vehicle was searched for drugs, or so they said.

I believe it was the English number plate myself.


I remember the case when czech truck driver got 2 years in France, because he unknowingly transported a group of illegal migrants hidden in his truck.

Skybird 09-16-24 03:55 PM

More crying in Berlin. Intel has announced it will build its chip factory in Magdeburg not less than two years later.

If ever. :03:

The German subsidies the Greens were willing to pay to Intel for this second class chip factory (its no new generation chips they plan to build there, but older, relatively primitive, big ones to be used in cars) were insane, astronomical. A typical Habeck dud, everything he takes in his hands explodes him right into his green face. And the rest of us then must clean up the grease he has covered everything in.

As a tax payer I can just say: thank you, Intel. And as long as you do not want to do serious business even without insane, stellar amounts of subsidies: stay away.

Shadowblade 09-17-24 08:17 AM

Luckily, Greens are quite weak here, otherwise they would probably do same mess like in Germany and other countries.


It reminds me one Futurama scene (dubbed version):

Fry: "Wait a minute, I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots."
Bender: "Hey, let's all join the Green party!"
Everyone: "Oh, yeah!"


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