In the paranoid world (that it appears some posting here may inhabit) once under surveillance they [insert government, corporation or secret cabal of your choice] will have your voice characteristics on digitized database and will instantly identify the person on the phone, and your syntax and typing style on the keyboard will also be analyzed. No escaping Big Brother.:/\\k:

I'm really disappointed to learn that you accept your masters voice, his whip and his status.
You are obedient and submissive, you have arranged yourself with the situation and you can't even think of a possibility to change it. You have been indoctrinated for too long without understanding you are indoctrinated. Your master has told you you are free and special, you live the dream, you would be a fool if you would want to change anything and that the majotity is with this system. You feel helpless and without a choice.

Please check the East German history for their masters dealings, for the surveillance and the sissors it created in their brains. Learn how they managed to overcome the system.

You may be aware of the GESTAPO, this secret police force of the Third Reich. They were totally legal within the system, they only did their job and they were adorable efficient. They observed the people for certain attributes and came after them.

Hitler (one of the masters of that system) and his friends ordered the attributes to be searched for. It was not the peoples choice to check these attributes for legality. Everything was declared secret.

But the hunt for the jews was public. They were this terroristic, communistic, subversive enemy trying to destroy the lovingly, noble and bright German way of living.
The media was totally controlled by the government, no critical articles were possible.
The perception of the truth was only through the Nazi controlled eyes.

The western world is running in the same trap the Germans did before, initiated, protected and led by the US this time.
Fascism is defined by its inventor Mussolini as the fusion of state and big capital.
Nazi-Germany, Fascist-Italy or Spain were commanded by politicians addicted to public attention. The economy, the big capitalists around the globe, made some nice money but they were not taking charge.

Today this neo-fascistic szenario isn't led by politicians, it is led by the big capital.
They conquered the command by money, influence and lobbyism.
They screw out the poiliticians and the publics consent with a mixture of fear, bribe, control over the media, threats of the loss of jobs etc.
They stay in the dark, they try to hide undetected behind the politicians.
They are not interested in public attention.
They are the puppet masters who control the politicians, the media and the peoples perception. They control our motivation to act for or against their system.

If we are not willing to recognize and change this system - the danger it breeds for all of us - there is no noble western army of the free left to help us get rid of this system.
We will be enslaved forever und under control of these capitalist masters who sort us, manipulate us and silence us they think fit.

We need an act of cognition. We need better education and we urgently need to learn from history. We must fight this slow and hidden abolition of our rights - or better privileges. We must solidarize and gain confidence to be able to overcome this tyranny of the puppet masters.

If we fail, maybe the Chinese have to be the next bright light of freedom and justice.
They may free us by force, bombs and missiles and teach us to be aware of the signs of any puppet masters and their dark deeds.
Or they show us that cooperation on eye level is the way to go. Cooperation is the key to evolution.

My Master is the wind, and my Mistress is the sea. I have the freedom to sail by their grace; I beseech them in the storm and thank them in the calm. All I ask is a safe anchorage, a bottle of rum, and a hammock under starlight. Arrgh! :arrgh!:

:up:

I can't change my situation, I'm pawn in the hands of nature - my master.
I've learned to love what I do - my master let's me work for him.
I am free to act under natures control - my masters control.
I ask servile for a change under mistreatment - please don't hurt me, master. I'll obey.
I am relaxed while everything seems to be straight - thank you master, great job you do.
(I'm satisfied with my choice of breakfast cereals - I'm happy my master cares for my survival.)
Edit: I'm easily to be satisfied: just a dry place to sleep, some alcohol to ease my pain and the freedom to dream of a better world is way enough.

bp;dr = behind paywall; didn't read

In more than a dozen classified rulings, the nation’s surveillance court has created a secret body of law giving the National Security Agency the power to amass vast collections of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects but also people possibly involved in nuclear proliferation, espionage, and cyber attacks, officials say.

Free for me, and I have not even subscribed. :hmmm:

Try here: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...-a-909998.html and then use the first, red printed, underlined link in the first paragraph that reads >geht die "New York Times"<

Again...

http://abload.de/img/loginnyt99sae.jpg

Maybe I'm already censored on a personal level?

Edit: Wait - cookie and NoScript may be the problem.

Edit2: Yup - now it works...

Edit3: Well - it fits absolutly into the scheme.

Some consequences of power and control over certain attributes?

http://rt.com/usa/california-prison-...d-inmates-782/

Well what i don't get is that freedom is the highest value, unless the secret FISA court and NSA take it away. Then even Big brother to the ten seems to be no problem for any 'free' person.
:-?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us...-nsa.html?_r=1&

edit ah seems same link as above sorry - will let it stand since it is a direct link working (for me at least)

What is freedom?

Freedom means to be in control over your situation, to be in control over your life, your destiny, your perception, your alternatives...
Freedom means to be in control over whom to fight and whom to support, whom to listen and whom to ignore, whom to love and whom to distrust.

Freedom means to be in control!

Those who are in control are free. Those who are under control are not.

By the way - in a deomcracy the people control the government. What is this surveillance system called we live in?

The US has arrested more then 1% of the people as ordinary street criminals. What about this 1% business criminals at Wall Street?
Ooops! Damn I forgot - they are in control, so they are free.

The accumulation of money leads to the accumulation of influence which leads to the accumulation of control which leads to the accumulation of ???

Who knows the answer?

Edit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...ideo-interview

Freedom is whatever you want it to be. You do not always get to choose who to fight, often you fight to defend yourself from threats both within and without.

I did not get to choose to be born, or to whom, or where, or when. As a child I had no real freedom of choice and was not in control, my family was my government and so I lived under a benign dictatorship (which was happy and loving) and yet I lived in freedom. :woot: At 18 I could vote but of course have to live under laws so do not have freedom.

Political correctness and newspeak has taken away my control to choose what I can say, therefore, I have no control and no longer have freedom.:down:

In a democracy we vote for a government to control us, choosing the best suited to our ideals / viewpoint. Some will be pleased and others disappointed with the result. You cannot please all the people all of the time. :hmmm:

I choose the surveillance, it is my freedom of choice and sustains the freedom I want. :yeah:

Freedom is bliss...peace and tranquility.

:har:

What do you think you know about me? How could you know?

No I don't.

No I'm not.

I do not have a Twitter or Facebook account. I have only made one purchase on line. Ever. I don't have a smart phone. Cheap Nokia for emergencies only. My only e-mail activity is with SubSim. Hi Neal.:salute: My on line activity is minimal. Tell me again why I should be afraid of these guys in black suits?

I have asked you before. I'll ask again. What specifically are you going to do about it. Rhetoric is cheap and abundant. What's the plan? Can you give us even a hint of what you think you can do about this situation?

An even better question is what system you plan to replace the 'capitalist masters' with. Meet the new boss....same as the old boss.

Again great rhetoric. Well said. I have heard this same stuff all of my adult life. I have never seen the people who say this stuff do anything but say stuff.

You're kidding right.

History and experience show that those who are in control, control others to be in control.

Possibly because all those things you mention are increasingly at odds with the rest of society. In the age of metadata the lack of profile information might just warrant a closer look to see what you're trying to hide... :yep:

Well August, I won't be alone. I know lots of people my age who are even less of an invisible dot in cyber space. :O:

I know lots of people our age that are like that as well, heck i'm like that. But we're a diminishing number. That kind of behavior might be more suspicious in a younger person.

Uuuh - No Twitter or Facebook account?
You don't use email?
Ok, that changes everything. Not.

Do you use a cell phone?
Sorry, but you're tracked.
They know your location and they know your daily trail. They know your social group - all the people you are connected with by phone.
Some of the phone numbers may show your employer, your couch doctor, your phone sex partner...
They record your voice and save it. If you have a smartphone they are able to check your data, documents and your pictures. They are able to use it as a live bugging device.

Do you surf online?
They track your IP and the sites you view. They track the sites you comment on and on what topics.
They have certain indicators for your political prefeence as for your hobbies, religion, intellectuality...
They realize your wife is online, because she may have different interests at Amazon or Ebay, fashion or cooking, lecture or child management.
They track your keystroke speed to identify you personally, your ortographic mistakes differ from your wifes ones.
They can leave a little trojan horse at your computer to check anything you do with it.
They can conquer your built in microphone and your webcam to watch you live.

Do you watch TV over cable?
They see what you see. They know your interests and the news you are aware of.
They track the ads you consume and cross-check it with your credit card.

Do you use a credit card?
They check what you pay with it. They check if you buy cigarettes and alcohol, if you support WikiLeaks or if you transfer money to the democrats.
These are just a few examples. They check whatever you pay with it and add it to your profile.

This is just an excerpt of their possibilities.

All the collected data feeds a profile to make you glassy. Over time it gets more and more reliable and accurate.
They use it for whatever they want it to use.

I.e. they sell this data to your insurance. Your cigarettes and alcohol consume will raise your rates.
Your health ensurance will lower the support, due to your unhealthy life style.

They can use it to manipulate you or to discredit you. You have no control over it.

It is enough to tell us, they only track 10% of the people at a time, 90% are unobserved at any moment.
The overwhelming majority acts to their liking. It's what we have right now. The police doesn't check everybody, but spot checks us.

This total surveillance will change the way we live, the way our children live. It will shorten the list of freedoms we are granted even more.
The bill of rights was elaborated to protect the individual from the state.

Again: think!

... and read Orwell's 1984. - Free! http://archive.org/details/ost-engli...-1937-dystopia


What do I do to change this mess?

You may realize I try to open your eyes, to make you aware of a problem. I try to find support.
I am one of the 250 people in my community who is on the streets, demonstrating for our rights of privacy.
I provided an idea to change the situation.

You doubt there is a way to change this horror. You don't want to support it but you argument to support it.
You signed your capitulation, but you tell me you don't really feel happy with it. Well - that's a way to go.

Cool, can you start with banning the new Google glasses which are total surveillance with no control, and breach privacy and freedom of the individual. Where is all that data going, and who controls it.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/h...chen-1.1717216

In German.

Okay, the Sueddeutsche Zeitung is an extremely leftleaning propaganda paper, but still, that historian seems to have gotten his facts straight.

The NSA is allowed to do just EVERYTHING in Germany, more than it is allowed to do anywhere else - and this even is regulated by statutes and treaties that the three victorious Allies and the defeated Germany signed in the mid-60s and that are unique in that America has not signed such far-reaching "treaties" with any other NATO member.

While that may have been understandable 18 years after WWII ended, it is absolutely unforgivable that German cowardly politicians after reunification stayed silent about this for another two and a half decade, counting. I knew that Germany still is bound tho a line held by America, but I did not know how short that line is.

These blackmailed "treaties" belong into the oven. Immediately.