Well for that to come into play you would need to look at any of the 600+laws to see if they came into play on any of those subjects.
Incest certainly fits that category which could lead to an old joke about the location which started this particular round of the "oh no its the gays again" game.
So there you go, by saying he hadn't come to change the laws he was saying don't have sex with your aunt but you can screw your cousins

Can you see a problem there?
Identify the writers of the NT, which do you call the others?

I'm loving the talk about Jewish slaves. It wasn't the Jews keeping slaves that they were talking about, it was the Romans. Roman slavery could be as bad as some think, but on the whole it was relatively benign. A Roman slave could rise to run the household. He could even purchase his own freedom, and any Roman slave could join the army for twenty years and then get his freedom and that of his family. Paul telling a slave to be faithful to his master was nothing like saying the same thing to a 19th century American slave. If Jesus didn't condemn slavery in his own time it was likely because for most of them slavery wasn't worth running away from.

I'm also failing to see what something said about slaves two thousand years ago has to do with gay marriage today. I have to agree with August and Haplo on this one - it sounds like it's skirting the edge of being about how Jesus didn't care about certain people. What's that about?

Well for starters someone tried to make a bad point about how we all live to his religious laws, leaving aside that theology flies straight back in his face the slavery issue does make a nice additional counter. Plus of course if you look at NC and amendments over marriage that comes nicely round to the legacy from the slavery.

I am sorry. I should have explained. The others would not be the writers of the four gospels, who to my knowledge did not record Jesus saying "slavery is okay". Any of the other writers or books of the New Testament. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries, but the first part of that identity question matters also in relation to the 4.
Have you any thoughts on the letter Q and its relation to 2 of the 4?
Or for that matter why the 4th seems to sit differently?

I mean we could go into any of the many non canonical gospels too, but of course they were all heretics.:03:

Well, as to all the acceptable writers of the New Testament each to his own. Pick your team I guess. I would not consider myself a biblical scholar in any way so I can't really say. As to the Q source, I have only read briefly about this and it is an interesting possibility. As to whether it matters, I guess it depends on how you view the Bible; inspired writing, historical document or work of literature. I'm comfortable with all three but very tolerant of those who are not.

In regards to the 4th, it seems to have the most thump, if that's the right word. Its position seems strange though, between the 3rd and Acts.

Then there is The Book Of Mormon, which may become more popular this November.:D

Yeah tricky isn't it, but a fascinating subject all the same.
However the point was that reeling out religion as a supporting angle generally tends to backfire and it is often done when the points someone was trying to make have already fallen apart ( that isn't directed at your points, and I did like your comeback when Safe Keeper over stated)

Is that the error free personally authenticated one or another one they printed?
And thats in less than 200 years with "one" language and modern printing, which serves to illustrate a problem in the other regard as far as ancient texts go.

Yes this can happen. I believe that when it comes to debates on what some would consider a moral issue reason goes out the window on both sides. It's to bad. People get defensive and they say things. As far as I am concerned Christianity is a religion of love and compassion. Anything less is a failure. Yes morality comes into play but it only involves me. I'll let God worry about everybody else. My role as a Christian is to treat all the other human beings with respect. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not that smart.:O:

I believe it's the personally autographed one with bonus DVD.:smug:

Such is the nature of scripture, it can be made to fit many opposing arguements, but any decent arguement should be able to stand by itself or with supporting facts.

Hey its a very big book which in essence can be summarised with the new covenant into just two words...."be nice"


Now that is divine foresight and marketing at work, truly inspired:rotfl2:

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Dare I say it without offending anyone,


Amen.

Why not? The word, despite its religious use and connotations, literaly translates as "Verily", "Truly", "It is so" or "I agree".

Nothing arguable in that. :sunny:

I disagree.

You usually do. :O:

Amen:D

This is why I keep coming back. This exchange made my day better, after a brutal 14 hour shift. (Yeah, all doubletime pay, roads need to be fixed for the *Bennies!) Otherwise I would have opted for beer, sex and BBQ instead of working. (NIGHTS!!)

Thank you subsim.:yeah:

*(Bennies= tourists from New York, and North Jersey, who infest the shore with bad aggressive city driving, and ruining a nice laid back place for 3 months out of the yea
I wish had more time with you guys.
Though with some of my asinine drunk posts, I bet some of you wish different. :)

No consequence I still love ya's...(and your stuck with me, I like this place)

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Trying to find a mod, and this thread is (for some reason) one of the results. Let me say this please: as a North Carolinian: I'm SO very very very sorry for the actions of my State. Can you guys take solace that at least my entire family voted against it? Can't believe that my State is now the laughing stock of the rest of the Nation. :oops:

Considering that 60% or more of the nation agrees with the outcome.... the only laughing stock is you claim that NC is one....

Considering that we're supposed to be the "freest nation on the planet", we sure restrict our citizens rights a lot. What ever happened to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? I feel that people ignore it and try to make it up as we go.

Considering that the majority of people who voted for it voted because of their religious beliefs, they sure forget a lot that there's no such thing as a sin that's worse than another sin.

I am not a church going person, nor am I really all that religious, but from what I found online about gossip (which a LOT of so called "Christians" partake in), this is what the bible says about that:

Proverbs 6:16-19

"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." (Bolded relevant part).

Since people are saying that it's in the bible that homosexuality is a sin, and thus should be outlawed, why not make gossip a crime? It's in the bible that it's not right to spread lies against your fellow man.

You make up for it, don't worry

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