Today the torpedo room...tomorrow the WORLD! Muah-ha-ha-ha!

Tomi,

Can we please just release this without the animation? I really don't think its going to hurt your chances of being worshipped like a god if there is no swinging boot or a guy flicking pages. If anybody critisises you for that they are really being unfair for all the effort you've put into it. :shifty:

I say just release a beta version, hell, I've been playing with Vlad's mock up of the Type II torpedo room (the one that you started with) forever now and to have your textures is just fine with me, I don't care if GWX never finish it, I love your work.

Can the detail-junkies please lay off now and lets get something out there ? IMO it is these guys that have delayed the mod and put pressure on Tomi to have something perfect on his own and not him.:roll:

Unfortunately I don't think that going to happen. Please note LukeFF post above.

I can't imagine GWX has bought the rights to anything. This is all opensource stuff Tomi has done this out of his kind heart, the GWX team, similiarly are all enthusiasts providing free software.

If the heart of the matter is that animation is going to be difficult and not the compilation / release of the files that will allow the add on to work then I don't see the need to wait for an indeterminate amount of time for this? If Tomi is not able to compile the code then surely others have the experience to do it?

Please someone tell me if I am being silly and disrespectful and I will keep quiet. :oops: However I work in software development and we would never delay a release of software for "nice to haves" if they would jepoardise the timing of the release.

I sure that I am speaking for others when I say that I would pay the equivalent money that I paid for "Wolves of the pacific" (US$20) to anyone who can release the torpedo room "as is" as an add-on enhancement to the game

The Grey Wolves bought nothing.
To suggest so is really going pretty low.
:nope:
Tomi wants to release a vision he has of this mod.
He asked for help from those who can assist to produce it.
Not just dream about it,
BUT can actually teach him how to produce it!

In the end?
It's Tomi's choice what he does with it.

No one can go shoot him!

Let's not start downing his FANTASTIC work,
or slamming where he goes for help.

Many think that animation work is easy.
Or doing all the lighting required.
That's simply not true!

Many things HAVE to be done by Hex editing alone!
S3D, as good as it is?
Just will not accept somethings.
That's just the way it works.

Now can we PLEASE just try to get along together?

If you read what I have said mate, he is my GOD :rock: and I will never shoot down his work please READ what I have written :shifty: . Of course he can do what he wants, its a pity we could not help him more.

If you notice the earlier posts you will see that it is us that have been asking him to put this in and that and this and it is I who has been asking us to back off on the pressure.

Anyway cest la vie. I'll tune back in in a year. :ping:

I've read your post, and others Mate.

And you, amoungst others just want some version.
I have no disagreement with you and those.
:up:

It's when uninformed posts are made that I try to
draw back the shades.

In the long run?
It's all good.

is GWX 4 for silent hunter 4????

Yes.

Agreed Mikhayl, but its no use starting from scratch , that would not make any sense at all. Perhaps if Tomi would post his files up then we can have a go at it ourselves. Should be no prob as you mentioned right?

That burp you just heard is a clue. However, if anybody wants to argue that Tomi is not entitled to make a mistake by his own free will, I'm willing to hear the argument. I'll just get out this popcorn and lean back the chair...

OK, here's the start. "Tomi should be forced to complete and release his work independently of any other mod he may wish to be included in because..." It could be the new SUBSIM contest!

Brainstorm! OK, you all lose because I have it:

I want a Tomi's* torpedo room to install in my fleet boat
Therefore, I have right to the torpedo room
Therefore, I have a right to Tomi's time and freedom
Therefore, I have the right to force Tomi to finish his work MY WAY.
Because my choice is better than anyone else's choice
I have the right to use whatever means necessary
To compel Tomi to be reasonable to my satisfaction
Start building the prison where he can do his work
Without nasty interruptions. We'll even feed him!
If he does what we want...
Then he will be free to produce the most benefit
For the most players of the game we love

Ain't freedom grand?

*Sorry Mikhayl, your name should go on the torpedo room too. Didn't mean to ignore your origination of the work.

It may not be "all good" as privateer says, but the alternatives are worse than the disease some are protesting here.

Actually, I've posted in the thread a few times and shown interest. But I'm not a modder, I'm a cheerleader. Where's my pom-poms? You have to put me not in Luke's column on this one anyway. I'll always default to freedom in any argument. Tomi is free to do as he chooses and we'll live with whatever results. He is the only one who can make the decision he did and I can't claim the right to question him. Any suggestion that the GW "took over" the mod is laughable.

Look at it this way. Whip over to the Ubi Forums and look at Ref's Type IID work that someone kinda pirated (they found renderings and posted them there ) over there. If you were Tomi and saw that, would you do what he did? I think we need to cut Tomi some slack and defer to his judgment. He did what he thought best fitted his vision of the torpedo room. That's good enough for me.

I think the reaction is mostly about the unbased conclusion that Tomi's torpedo room will only be released as part of GWX4 and not be available separately. Even that would be within Tomi's right to choose. I may not like it, but tough toenails. He does the work, he makes the decisions.

As I said in my first post, I am not in agreement with Luke's post, and the implications of knee jerk reactions against what Tomi decided are scary if they are thought out to their logical conclusion.

Sorry, Mikhayl, I just looked for it for ten minutes myself! Here you go, and you'll notice several posts down, there is Tomi drooling at this incredible work. If you (not you Mikhayl, it's a general question) were in his position, looking at this would you not want to cooperate? I would speculate that Tomi recognized incredible quality when he saw it and reacted as any of us would. I would speculate that the GW didn't prey on Tomi. Tomi saw the excellence of Ref's work and the GW didn't have to say a word. Quality speaks for itself.

Privateer, if you have any objections to the link to the post showing Ref's work, just say the word and the link's gone. My intent is just for people to attempt to put themselves in Tomi's place and to realize that they likely would have acted just as Tomi did.

I was wondering myself :hmm: I gather it is over a door or hatch. Play nice everyone!

Stock SH3 has retractable deck cleats? I guess seeing the sucker out of water, when usually I'm too busy driving it to look at it makes it look plenty good. It IS plenty good. You contend that's a purely stock Type IID with a bunch of holes in it? I still think it's stunning in the context it's presented in.

You're the Type II expert. I have to defer to your judgment.

But my point was that Tomi was looking for modeling help and that post told him exactly where to get it. As a result he approached the GW, not the other way around. Hostile takeover it was not. Tomi sought help where the expertise was obviously available.

Now if Tomi vanishes from the face of the earth and in six months his body shows up with hundreds of wolf bites, I would say we could rightly complain. I wonder if the GW are responsible for Jimmy Hoffa too? And global warming?:rotfl:

Now that part really amused me http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/scream.gif

Nice one http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

will It also a address fleet boat realism?

RR, under normal feeding conditions, the wolf will leave only bones. Although, wolfs seem to understand that something about the bone helps keep the teeth clean and provides good calcium. Somethings in nature are just not explained by science. I suspect no body will be found because each bone tends to get carried off for consumption.


Play nice all. ;)



How come I feel something brewing?

RR,

Leave the link.
Everybody likes a sneek peek now and then.
;)

We've known about it since day one of it's posting.
It's out there and no since worrying about it.

I do believe that is the old version though.
;)

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People I can tell you the Swinging chains are the purest juwel!


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