She talks like thunder
She really lets you know
She keep changing the rules
And leave you nowhere to go
She bore you rigid with the party line
She's so far left she's gonna get left behind

He wants six pretty white spots on each side of the dice
He wants it all to be equal but he needs to throw twice
Now there's a guy in the corner with a smiling gaze
He turns to me and says
I'm gonna buy a hat
'Cos I think it's gonna rain
Got caught out coming here
Ain't gonna get caught again
I'm gonna buy a big one
Like that Mr Gorbachov
And when it's raining all this crap
Oh my hat will keep it off

Now take a look at all them leaders
Desperation in their eyes
The tight faces smiles that cannot hide it
They know no more than you or I

So I'm gonna buy a hat
'Cos here they come again
And everytime they start to blah-blah
It's you and me that gets the rain


Chris Rea: Gonna buy a Hat

Funny Bush video...And you Repubs thought funny pictures were just for Clinton. Shame on you! :nope:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8dvU...elated&search=

Good movie going to be coming out and it's not by Micheal Moore


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88777215293198

You really believe that don't you?

Do you live in a cave next to Osama?

People are dying every single day somewhere due to some Rag Head dipstick strapping a bomb to himself or in a car.

Every single protest held in Iran or Iraq is echoed with the chants of DEATH TO AMERICA and ISRAEL.

You need to quit smoking the crack dude.Crack Kills...your comments are absurd.

Your comments show nothing more than your hate of muslims by calling them "ragheads". Apparently, you are a lot like Bush and want to bring death and destruction to all muslims by tagging them all as "terrorist".

Yes, I do stand by my statements because they are proven statistically. The US IS the least likely nation to be attacked by terrorist within their own countries borders. You act like Bush and think every country is out to get us or something when the fact shows that Europe and any other Christian based societies are even more at risk from Islamic radicals that want to bring down our religion because they are closer to them.

These radicals are nothing more than a small group of people. They are NOT a country. You think a couple of spoiled eggs ruined the batch or something when the majority of them were and still are good Islamic followers. It's our presence over there that is slowly but surely "rotting" away the rest of the good ones because our troops end up shooting dead one of their young kids who snuck out after American impossed curfews in their country.

Bush's war has done nothing more than to stir up more and more hatred in this world. A censous done recently showed that there were even more terrorist in our world now AFTER the invasion of Iraq. Could this be because America is now looked at as the aggressor over Islamic States and Countries? :hmm: Most likely!

Get a clue!

Where did Bush state what you just claimed?

Who Can Use the Word “Extremism”?
Get the facts.

By going to war with Iraq and using WMD as the excuse to be able to use Muslims as target practice because of his hate towards Muslims! He - like Iceman, think that Muslims are a bunch of "ragheaded terrorist" and need to be expelled from existence.

Obviously someone from Isreal such as yourself is going to have a hatred towards Muslims and Arabs as a whole, so it's of no surprise that you love Bush and his followers of Muslim hating storm troopers. You obviously hated Clinton for trying to calm Yesser Arafat down with bribe money and new vehicles when you thought he should have sent troops in instead to eradicate him and Palestinians. Yes indeed, no big surprise at all that you would side more on the Republican issues when it comes to violence against Muslims!

But there are Muslims all around the world. So what's Bush's plan for Malaysia? Indonesia? California, for that matter?

How much more slop are you planning on doling out?

BTW, regarding WMDs, why don't you see what the Clinton adminstration had to say about them before Bush even stepped foot in the White House? They're easy to google.

Sorry if the facts get in your way - again.
I'm not a big Bush fan at all but thanks for the rabid tribute anyway.
No, I disapproved of him for numerous reasons, including:
While that is true, the Bush admin is no different. Besides, I blame my own politicians first and foremost for the follies they have ventured into.
So, you think that defending oneself is a "Republican" thing? Sad thing is that once upon a time, there were Democrats who wouldn't want people with your warped thinking anywhere near their party.

Times have changed. Not for the better, mind you.

How are you "defending" yourself when you are "invading" another country?

Look up the word "defending" and then look up the word "attacking" or 'invading" or "aggression".

"Defending" is the oppostie of any of those words. You want your cake and to eat it too Avon. It doesn't work that way. You can't "attack" but call it a "defense". To "attack" is to provoke.

Yes, Republican'ts are "aggressors" and wish to do harm on Islamic beliefs and society. Like I stated, you have a chip on your shoulder over Clinton or any other person that you view has put your Jewish belief's and society at a greater risk with Islam and muslims.

Honestly Avon, I have nothing against Isreal or Jews, but I think we should let you all deal with your own problems even if it means Arabs coming in and pushing yall into the Med. Christian based America should severe it's ties and say so long to ALL middle east countries and mind its own business. Hope you can swim!

Serpent,

read a bit about Islam's ideology and history. And do not trust pro-Islamic sources for doing so. We had this kind of debate so often that even me gets a bit tired of repeating the same old things time and again. your assumptions about what Islam is and wants are good-willed, but simply wrong. You mental comparions to western history necessarily must fail, for Islam has no parallels to the Western tradition. It simply is totalitarian, intolerant towards other cultures, and highly expansive/aggressive. In these things it is totally different than the later churches, the teaching of Jesus, and Buddhism.

I am totally anti Bush, as by now you may have noticed. But I am even more anti-Islam, and I have reasons for that. These reasons lie in
- it's self-definition,
- it's lack of consideration, it's slyness and selfishness,
- it's circular pseudo-reasoning and absence of any logic,
- it's explicit codifying of using force and violance and justifying it if it is in the name of Islam's interest (to be found in the Quran),
- it's claim to be the eternal victim where it turns others into victims indeed,
- it's education of people to become dumb and blindly believe the self-justification of a warmongering bandit who was one of the worst criminals ion human hiostory,
- it's violant history that kills every cultural diversity and tolerant coexistence that in the long run always, always tries to become the last man standing, at the cost of all others;
- and the absence of any future-orientation, replacing evolution with stagnation, knowledge with superstition, spirituality with helplessness and unreflected copying of one single figure: Muhammad, creativity and creational power with apathy and phlegmatism.

Islam is nobody's friend, and everyone's enemy. In principole it has declared war on everything and everyone that is not itself. It's demand to be the ruler of all mankind and owner of all land and countries is more absolute and total than the demands of the Nazi's ideology, the Chinese emperors or the European empires ever has been. Hitler admired it for it's ruthlessness!

Try to see that islamic society is still there, where Muhammad has left it in the 7th century. And then ask yourself why this is so, and what this tells you about the worth of Islam, and muhammad himself. Next compare that to the teachings of Jesus, and Siddharta, their teachings of not acting violantly, but peacefully which is so muczh the opposite of wjhat Muhammad taught and did thorughout his life, wading in blood. Islam is no solution to problems. It is the source of many problem that we have. It does not tame violance, it calls for violance and declares it a holy obligation. It attacks other cultures, and calls their self-defense an attack and an offense. It prohibits any resistance to Islam, it prohibits leaving Islam (by death-penalty) and calls subjugation and discrimination of other faiths "Islam's protection". Many self-declared Muslims will tell you that I am lying, or misunderstand Islam. I tell you that many Muslims are brainwashed victims of a man-hating ideology that puts the search for knowledge under penalty and made it a law that the search for answers must be limited to the Quran, for that is the central revelation of their God. Moderate Islam is untrue Islam, the only Islam there is is the fighting Islam, I base that statement on the Quran and the biography of Muhammad, the example he has set himself, as well.

In other words: we ask: is it really like this or that, like the findings suggest or like the bible says? They ask: why is it that the Quran is always right? - Now, think about that intellectual precondition, and then consider how far it could lead you when reflecting existential questions, questioning youirself, or doing scientific work - not very far, you' ll find. And the developement status of Islamic societies that very much are still basing on the mental and moral living conditions of the early and mid-medieval reflect that.

@Skybird, you must really hate muslims! Perhaps it's because living in Germany you are closer to the real nutcase ones compared to me? My daughters pediactric doctor is an Islamic muslim and he's a real nice guy. I've never asked him if he was going to kill me or my daughter some day, but now I think I will. Considering of course you are stating that ALL muslims are nutjobs and their religion practices violence and evil. I just don't know why my daughter's doctor got into medicine if he planned on hurting people sometime? This claim of yours of course, means that most black people in this world are also evil since most blacks are of an Islamic decent.

I don't remember reading about any Islamic people killing Christ though. Twas the Jews was it not? Why is one religion any better than any another if they all promote violence? I think most every religion has practiced and promoted some form of violence and murder throughout history, am I wrong? Truth is we're all guilty and we will all be judged for our participation in such violent nonsense.

Sure I hate Muslims. I also eat Muslim babies twice a week. I prefer them as Hamburger with onion and salad. :smug:

You look at it too simple, Serpent. I'll send you a short PM, no reason to do all this on the board - again.

BTW, my former dentist in the city where I lived before moving here was Syrian. Does that proove that Muhammad had nice teeth? :doh:

Thanks for the PMs. I don't know what to respond with. I am not going to tell you that I know more than you about Islam and Muslims since your PM seems to be pretty thorough. I will stand by my belief that what America is doing in the middle east is wrong and potentially triggering of a religious war between Islam and Christians. That's what I believe has already begun and this whole WMD, Oil, terrorism, etc. is just a ploy to cover up the fact that it's all about religion and the beginning of a Christian vs. Islam Holy War. It just hasn't reached epic proportions yet.

It probably goes without saying that if Skybird wanted to PM you, then you should limit your response to that of a PM as well.