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If we don't do nothing, things are going to go to hell.
If we go far right, things are going to go to hell.
If we go far left, things are going to go to hell.
If we take the sensible middle, the right and the left will complain we didn't go far right/left and things will go to hell.

European internal politics 101

Quite, besides, the last time Europe got worked up about race and culture tens of millions of people died.

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2360856)

If we don't do nothing, things are going to go to hell.
If we go far right, things are going to go to hell.
If we go far left, things are going to go to hell.

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If we take the sensible middle, the right and the left will complain we didn't go far right/left and things will go to hell. European internal politics 101

:haha: Unfortunately the only and best thing to do would be to take "the middle", and nothing would go to hell but extreme rights and lefts. Why not screw 'em and reinstate common sense.

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2360919)

:haha: Unfortunately the only and best thing to do would be to take "the middle", and nothing would go to hell but extreme rights and lefts. Why not screw 'em and reinstate common sense.

:agree: wholeheartedly! Someone a long while back once if you really anger both the far fringes of the political spectrum, you are very likely following the right path. It is odd, indeed, that common sense and carefully applied logic seem to so very much anger those of extreme views; intelligence envy, perhaps?... :hmmm:

<O>

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 2360926)

True that.
Problem is that the fringes are allowed to vote :/\\!!

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2360856)

All roads lead to RO...hell?http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/ho...y-emoticon.gif http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/rome/kveit1640s.jpg from the Latin: facilis descensus Averno (the descent to hell is easy-"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"(aphorism)

Choosing between a road to hell and the road to Rome, I'd go to hell.

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 2360936)

Choosing between a road to hell and the road to Rome, I'd go to hell.

Rome. Why hell when you can be an empire :D
Some people I just don't understand :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by CaptainRamius (Post 2361891)

Rome. Why hell when you can be an empire :D
Some people I just don't understand :hmmm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_...f_Independence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...don_%281915%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy%...avia_relations

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43493864

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2361905)

And they're lousy tippers, even lousier drivers, loud, obnoxious, smell like they think showers are on a monthly bases and cover it up with a litre of deodorant, that greasy hair that I believe it's naturally greased and the sheer volume of noise when more than two are together !!!!
They are the first to talk, the first to run and the first to stick a knife in your back.

And if you don't believe they're cowards, check the battle of Caporetto where this happened:

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Rommel and 150 of his men proceeded down and captured the town, 2 miles (3.2 km) behind enemy lines. Believing the presence of Rommels' group to be proof that their lines had collapsed, a column of Italian light infantry, 2,000 strong, surrendered after a brief firefight.[30] Before dawn on the 26th, Rommel led his Abteilung, now reinforced with two additional machine gun companies, toward Matajur. They took the village of Jevszek without a fight, capturing another 1,600 men. In spite of orders not to attack, they assaulted Matajur from an unexpected direction from behind the Italian lines, arriving at the summit shortly before noon on 27 October. In two and a half days, he and his small contingent of men had captured 81 guns and 9,000 men (including 150 officers), at the loss of six dead and 30 wounded. Acting as advance guard in the capture of Longarone on 9 November, he again decided to attack with a much smaller force. Reinforcements continued to arrive, and fighting continued through the night. Convinced that they were surrounded by an entire German division, the 1st Italian Infantry Division – 10,000 men – surrendered to Rommel at dawn.

I quite like their food though... :hmmm:

Some folks love their life, friends and family and are clever enough, not to lose it for some distant inhuman entity, telling them what's worth fighting, killing and dying for.

I love their food, their Fine Arts, music, musical instruments and a lot of things :)

For the loudness of them when there are more than two come together - agree too :) Once I had a chance to travel from St. Petersburg to Moscow in a railway car full of Italian tourists... Well you know... :88)

Previous September I've been to northern Italy in a countryside between Milano and Genova - every local I've met seemed to be friendly and polite :up: - never had any problem except for their railways - exceptionally inaccurate schedule-wise.

They can be quite tolerable when you're in Italy.
And hospitable. Just remember to keep one hand on the wallet while you're shaking his hand with the other one.
It's when they get out of Italy they become intolerable at best. They have this: ''if it's not italy it's crap'' attitude.

Here's me thinking this thread was about a terrorist attack on Paris :hmm2: