I don't. I was in a position in which my views were called extreme (not by you) and immoral. Since you came in on that part of the discussion, I took it as a continuation of that claim. I am not trying to convince you, merely defending my own position from such claims. Perhaps that was unfair to you since you did not directly make the claim itself.

That is why I said I can totally respect your view. I appreciate that you can disagree with mine and still respect it. :salute:

"Ein rechtswidriger Angriff i. S. des § 32 StGB endet nicht bereits mit der Vollendung des Angriffs, sondern erst mit dessen Beendigung, insbesondere erst durch den endgültigen Verlust des angegriffenen Rechtsguts. "
http://www.juratelegramm.de/faelle/s..._2003_1955.htm

In my book, the car theft was "vollendet" but not yet "beendet".

I agree that, if the court would reject self defense, the defense would then next claim "self defense excess"-