You say so much with just a few words Oberon!:haha:

No, snopes says while some of the quotes that are topic of discussion are there, opponents cherry pick and take them out of context.Sorry, admitting avoided being seen with white people because thought would be seen as a "sell out", not out of context, it demonstrates racist thinking.There plenty of others in there like that as well which shows his preoccupation with race and ill feelings towards white people.I have considered these were the thoughts of a younger, less worldly obama but given his rhetoric, albeit softer but with clear undertones and most obviously, his actions in racial matters, one has to conclude the racial bias is alive and strong in him.Examples? The Cambridge Police incident.Obama's friend was disorderly and out of line, without knowing facts, obama just said the police acted stupidly, cop was white, his friend is black, obama's first instinct was to assume white cop was racist, which makes him racist.

Ordering AG Holder to not pursue the voter intimidation case against the new black panthers.A video clearly showing voter intimidation in 2008 by thugs of the new black panther party was ignored by the new obama "justice" department, case was dropped despite clear evidence.Furthermore, J Christian Adams, a former attorney in the JD Voting Rights Section, who is a whistleblower, he said that it was made known once obama admin came in that no cases of alleged black on white voter intimidation would be pursued.

Obama's appointment of racist like Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.Notice Obama appoints very few white males? Always trying to find a woman or minority . That indicates bias to be honest, sure plenty of qualified white males. New DHS secretary? An underqualified black chosen over two white males who were highly qualified(one was Retired Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen) who knows more? A lawyer and yes man who tells obama drone strikes on us citizens does no violate the US constitution? lol or a Retired Admiral from a branch of service who specializes in security.HMMMMMMM







Some quotes attributed by others to his book, are not in there but snopes tries to explain away and cover for the ones that are there.

Aye :yep:


Wow, just wow. And this is where I get off the thread.
Of all the names you were called here I'll ad selfish to the list.
If selflessly helping another human is communist, then bring me my hammer and sickle.
[sings the International to glorious proletariat work]

Da Tovarich! :salute:

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You really should have stopped when your position was in a very deep hole.
So young man, you already said you do not get the services he gets. How do you square that with your latest nonsense?
An intelligent person would realise that the effective taxrate for your location on a reasonably low wage is in excess of what Betanov pays.:hmmm:

This firm you worked for, is that the firm where you claimed all the "other lawyers" agreed with your interpretation of laws?:rotfl2:

:roll:

Is BO pushing race struggle or class struggle? You seem to have the two confused.

I'm also unclear about your definition of Marxism. Can you point me at the definition you are using?http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/d...1&word=Marxism

I can't find one that gels with yours.

Enough prevaracating. You said
They said
There is a vastly different meaning between what you say he says and what they say he says. Only one can be correct. Which one is it?

And some of the lines you say are there, aren't there. Why not?

So you keep saying. Where exactly do they try to "explain away and cover"? It looks like what they are doing is giving precise quotes and showing that his detractors are the ones twisting the words and trying to make them fit their agenda.

So which is it? Saying Snopes does this doesn't make it so. Please show where they are wrong and your version is right. Specifics, if you will.

Lemme try to explain it to you. On the Internets Tubes, there are specific definitions that are commonly used.

Marxist - a politician that belongs to a political party you dislike
Socialist - a politician that belongs to a political party you dislike
Communist - a politician that belongs to a political party you dislike
Fascist - a politician that belongs to a political party you dislike
Radical - a politician that belongs to a political party you dislike

That's about as complex as it gets in the Internets Tubes. :yep:

This strikes me as interesting.
When Factcheck was used to point out that bubbles claims were complete rubbish he claimed bias as it was linked to Reagans friends who are obviously part of that vast jewish liberal media conspiracy.
Now we have the same with Snopes which are "obviously" biased since they say he is talking rubbish, but how exactly are they linked to Reagans friends the Annenburgs like he claims?:hmmm:


Bubbles, indulge me if you will. I know you generally refuse to actually answer any questions and will try and skirt around everything rather than face up to reality so you can pretend to yourself that somehow your argument really stands.
So just a simple question to satisfy my curiosity.
Are you a product of home-schooling?
I only ask as with your approach and behaviour you seem to fit a very discernible pattern which is often very evident from that line of conditioning.

Conditioning? Oh it is you who are conditioned? You obviously believe what the government tells you, anyone in opposition is a home schooled nut. No, I did not attend home school.That is insulting you know, you just never :/\\!!


I am getting annoyed because you people are trusting snopes "interpretation" aka excusing what he said, read the book yourself.The lines they say are not in there, are not but there are lines I have said are in there, they acknowledge they are there, but they try to excuse it. I will give you that the "muslim" line can be interpreted different manners.I base mine on his background and other things.However, the quote "

"That was the problem with people like Joyce. They talked about the richness of their multicultural heritage and it sounded real good, until you noticed that they avoided black people. ... To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." Dreams From My Father" Pg 101

That right there, says it all.They can try to explain it away, get around it but he was saying he purposely avoided white people because it would make him seem like a sell out.Admits he sought the radicals to hang out with(big shock) , the marxists etc. Wonder why? Pattern he has followed his ENTIRE life. Just read the book, of course you will probably just defend it.People like you would defend him or any liberal no matter who apparent it is they bad news.



"Yes, I’d seen weakness in other men – Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew – Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq – fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own – my father’s voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people’s struggle. Wake up, black man!"


There are plenty of others, will add more when have time.

Yes, who made some of these sites the authority on facts? Themselves? They always seem to make an excuse for Barry(snopes) and other liberals. Their ties to Annenberg Foundation are of great concern. Are you aware Obama used to sit on the board? Wonder why they are so friendly.

Obama is pushing both, he always has, for him they are intertwined. Did you not read what I said? May not be the letter by letter definition of marxism but that is the core of his beliefs, as it is for many on the modern left.Progressivism is based on Marxism, same trash, different name.

No, not true.Like I just pointed out, progressives(that is what they are called these days), their ideology comes from marxism, it's all connected.May not fit the exact definition but at it's core, at the core of obama's beliefs, he is a marxist.There is a reason he has traveled in those circles his entire life, that his mentor was a freaking communist(Frank Marshal Davis), he believes in that garbage.Now, I am all about political freedom BUT such an ideology is absolutely incompatible with the United States, it's laws, traditions, etc and someone who believes in that garbage has no place having any type of political power.

Epic fail:har:

Do understand that you are making less and less sense as you go on?
Which really is quite an achievement considering your starting position.:smug:

Making plenty of sense.Snopes, which you trust is saying the quotes I talked about are in the book.There is one quote that many attribute to his book, that was not in there(that I did not mention since it is not in there) but the others are there.However, they try the old "context" cop out since are covering for him.Honestly, you are just being difficult now. Trying reading, you know, left to right, top to bottom.