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Dowly 12-20-12 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 1979694)
its the crackpot that we should focus on, not the tool.

Indeed. :yep:

Onkel Neal 12-20-12 09:57 AM

Everyone has their own opinion, but I think we all agree, what we have been doing ain't working.

It is the crackpot, but the tool certainly helps them kill quickly and effectively.

Nippelspanner 12-20-12 10:06 AM

Exactly Neal.

AVGWarhawk 12-20-12 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 1979694)
its the crackpot that we should focus on, not the tool.

I would agree, but the tool such as the gun, needs to have stipulation attached to it. The gun owner keeping the weapon under lock and key. Easy access(in the home) is what is proving to be the problem. Who is ultimately responsible?

Tribesman 12-20-12 10:28 AM

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Guns and the mentality of owning guns is very different from other cultures that I have dealt with directly, indirectly or read about.
Excactly, so when all the elements that are not different are removed from the equation then the remaining element which is different is the main cause.

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It might be time not to use "riddle me this" to spot the thing that is missing.
Since that is already spelt out and was obvious anyway how about a simple riddle. Can you see why all of Augusts examples of non American massacres apart from two are totally irrelevant?

Sailor Steve 12-20-12 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1979716)
Can you see why all of Augusts examples...are totally irrelevant?

No, and the way in which you go about attacking them doesn't help make it any more clear. You seem to live on your own plane of existence, and expect everybody else to understand it by default.

AVGWarhawk 12-20-12 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1979723)
No, and the way in which you go about attacking them doesn't help make it any more clear. You seem to live on your own plane of existence, and expect everybody else to understand it by default.

I back this statement up. :up: Tribesman, your a smart person and some of the ideas and statements you post are brilliant. Then there are times it is all riddles. This is one of those times.

eddie 12-20-12 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1979696)
Everyone has their own opinion, but I think we all agree, what we have been doing ain't working.

It is the crackpot, but the tool certainly helps them kill quickly and effectively.

I agree Neal. Was surprised to see this article in a way. Armored back packs for kids are a popular item now, and sales of assault rifles like the one used in Newtown, are on the rise, along with the clips that hold extra rounds.

On the one hand, parents are buying something to protect their children. On the other hand, the very thing that was used to kill those kids, sales are going through the roof.:huh:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50255928

Armistead 12-20-12 01:41 PM

My son just got home from school and told me it was put on lockdown and police took over the school...No shooter of course, appears some kids joking with other kids about school shootings and another kid reported it.

The sad thing, is when they did this, many kids went nuts, being high school, many just went home.

AVGWarhawk 12-20-12 02:23 PM

The take any threat seriously these days. Even those joking on FB. There has been rumors of violence at my kids HS tomorrow. End of the world and all. I let my kids know they can stay home if they like.

Takeda Shingen 12-20-12 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1979929)
The take any threat seriously these days. Even those joking on FB. There has been rumors of violence at my kids HS tomorrow. End of the world and all. I let my kids know they can stay home if they like.

Thankfully the semester has already ended for me and my eldest already. I can imagine some chaos tomorrow, so I think we'll be staying in. Besides, I have Rolos to eat. Lots of Rolos.

AVGWarhawk 12-20-12 02:29 PM

We receive emails and automated calls concerning issues like this. Each and every rumor or chatter of problems is investigated. Additional police presence is ordered. I can say my 14 year old is concerned for her safety. Not in school really, just in public in general. The lunacy is out of control.

Tribesman 12-21-12 04:16 AM

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No, and the way in which you go about attacking them doesn't help make it any more clear. You seem to live on your own plane of existence, and expect everybody else to understand it by default.
Well as they were so obvious I didn't think poeple would have dificulty spotting how they don't fit in a topic about nuts on a random rampage.

1. A racist nut tries to start a war for the white race with his mythical christian templar army by attacking parliament with a bomb and then attacking a political parties gathering to further his aims as set out in his long rambling "political/cultural" agenda published on the internet.
2. That fits, a gun nut has a arguement with his mother and goes on a random rampage.
3. Some soldiers and some terrorists set up an illegal checkpoint and slaughter some of the people they stop on the basis of their religious affiliation.
4. Some terrorists set up a road block stopped a van and then after seperating individuals of the "wrong" religion shot them.
5. Some terrorists blew up a military themed gathering on the notion that anyone in attendance would be on "the other side" of the political divide.
6. A massacre of surrendered disarmed prisoners during a rather brutal civil war which has at its base divisions over religion and ethnicity.
7. Some terrorists in the employment of the state using tax payer funded weapons which were illegally shipped from an embargoed pariah state murder people in a place because the location is one frequented by people of the "wrong" religion.
8. That fits, a gun nut facing the prospect of losing his guns and losing the ability to work with children goes on a rampage.
9. some terrorists including an american working for the government as an undercover terrorist fund raiser randomly blow up a town center full of people in an attempt to stop a political process.

Simple isn't it. :yep: 2 events in a 25 year period

But hey August has since upped the ante in ridiculousness.
Now in the other schools shooting topic we are getting things like.... the legions of Rome beat the armies of the druids in ancient gaul and that was a massacre so they do happen everywhere which is why teachers need guns :doh:

AVGWarhawk 12-21-12 09:12 AM

I don't know, this list of rampage killers is a bit larger than yours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers


I do not see it as that simple after looking over this list.

AVGWarhawk 12-21-12 09:20 AM

This guy got pissed at his girlfriend. 57 dead when all said and done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Bum-kon

:hmmm:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

Kills mom, people, his own dog.


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