so what you are saying is.. if they had used the actual original document they would have got the date of rapture correct?

Spot on, you have to be careful reading the bible we can only guess how much of the original documents have been edited and reinterpreted down the lines of history, reducing their accuracy of actual events in the process.

I doubt that, only God knows when the world will truly end. I don't care how many ways you add up the numbers or codes you try to crack. Even with the original documents.

Edit: ech, reading what I wrote i realized what a touchy subject religion can be, so I'd just like to add this is all just personal opinion.

The End of the World

A godless apocalypse


The Ultimate Tyranny

End Time Theology

So what do I think about it all, man.made deities, thought-out gods that die their believers's brain go exitus, and belief concepots that focus on the end of the world and hellfire action show for some, lethal boredom on cloud number 9 for others? I think Nietzsche is spot on:

What'S up with the quoting function? I notice since maybe two weeks the number messups, also have seen it in posts by at least two others.

Well, at least Camping has resurfaced. I thought this was hilarious, from here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...JIK7.DTL&tsp=1

When the world doesn't erupt in earthquake in flame, it's a loser of a weekend. :03:

What actual original document? There was none. Bible stories were passed on verbally from generation to generation for thousands of years.

Everything has an origin.
He may be referring to the first complete original manuscript of the bible, which was a (Hand-Written) manuscript of the Complete Bible; All 80 Books.
In 1384 AD.

very generous of you, but no, i did not have anything coherent in mind

If you want to get an idea of how totally mangled the present day versions of the Bible really are, find the book "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart D. Ehrman. He is from the old, fundamentalist school of bible scholarship who set out to find for himself the true sources of the New Testament and, instead, found a wealth of eroors, misconceptions, political editing (both religious and secular), and outright fakery as the "text" passed down through many hands and eras. The extent of the "edits" were so profound, Ehrman renounced his fundamentalist beliefs. One of the items in the book I found most amusing was the exisitence of hand-illuminated pages that were rejected and still bear the editing remarks of the monks who rejected the pages. I often recommend this book to those who tell me they have "the one, true word"...

Here are som facts

The scientist expect a huge solarstorm in the end of 2012 or in the beginning of 2013. The shield that protect us has during the last years been decreasing-and they don't know why.(seen on danish and swedish tv) Imagine what would happen to our society, if all the eletricity disappeared.

The Yellow Stone is about to erupte!? Red in a danish newspaper that the ground has rised about so and so much.As an american volcano expert said, to the danish newspaper: The eruption could happen tomorrow or sometimes in the next 100 years and we can't tell if it will be lots of small eruptions or a big one.

So you understand our society, infrastructor a.s.o, could go under tomorrow or next week. nobody knows. But the earth(tellus)that we live on, will remain for billions of years to come, at least until the sun dies.

Regards
Markus

Ehrman has written several interesting books on Biblical scholarship. I've skimmed through most of them at the library, but never found the time for a thorough reading. Despite that, his works show him to be a dedicated scholar and student of his subject. Fascinating stuff.

It doesn'T matter whetheror not the bible is "original", and in the end there even is doubt that Jesus ever has lived indeed, or is just a fictional figure. The only question is if, and if yes in what way the teaching of Jesuus makes sense for living in modern time, or not.

Which also means that most parts of the bible consists of profane fiction from archaic times before the gospels' timeframe, and blown-up stuff about attention-craving wannabe-greats like Paul after him that are shown to have thought they must ennoble the master'S example by their own sermon.

Hear-say and verbal transmission remains hear-say and verbal transmission, nothing more, no matter how long the tradition of doing so has grown - as one of the linked essays above argues, the simple fact that there even is such a tradition should make people sceptic.

Nobody would take the rule booklet for Monopoly as a document of real historic meaning, describing real events. And fairy tale adventures, sex and crime in old fairy tales nobody with a sane mind would take as real fact. But when a caste of self-declared priests benefit from claiming both for a book they base their very earthly powers on, then the intellect immediately capitulates and waves the white flag...?

It does to us belivers, trust me.
It makes a big, big difference.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, why and how do you get denominations in religion?
The Bible has been re-written and ie re-interpreted so many ways that it isn't funny.
Why?
To suit each and every so-called beliver out there, to suit their lifestyles and their own beliefs, rather than believing the original and unabridged version.
If you (not you Sky, i'm talking in general here) are a TRUE believer, then why in the heck do you change the Lord's words in the first place!
That to me is not right.
Hypocrytical, yes.
Ofc to us belivers he is and was alive.
And in relation to what book to use as our guide, if you will, to use in our day to day lives?
The New Testament ofc.

As to the rest of your post, i don't have currently time to answer that, i will endeavour to reply at some stage.
Inbetween breaks atm.
:salute:

It was an "invisible judgement day", the world still ends in october
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us...re.html?ref=us

The world must not be concerned about "believers". I say again: what matters is whether or not Jesus' teaching, fictional figure or not, makes sense (=is reasonable, =in the service of man and nature, =brings out the good or the worse in man) in modern time, or not. If you tell the same wisdom in the symbology of Tolkien's Middle Earth or print the gospels in Klingon, is not the matter at all. Indeed, sometimes in films, poetry, paintings, music, mnaking an experience with a beloived person or gazing at the landscape that just has stunned us, we do perceive this deep wisdom, it touches a string in our heart and lifts us above our everyday life for a moment. We then sometimes call such moments catharsis.

If believers are as concerned or even more concerned about the messager than the message, and put the apper it is written on above the content, than this is a problem of theirs. But that they do so is no excuse to see their claims as more valid or important.