CBN reports about the criminalisation of criticism of islam and its diffamation as hate speech in several european countries where criticism of Islam now is a crime punishable by law. I do not know the reputation of CBN amongst americans, and I do not really care - I can assure you that the report gets it absoluetly correct. the case is correct (I have read about it before), the legal situation is correctly described, too. I said several times that this new crime is established in EU legislation thanks to the EU dictatorship in Brussel and its unholy alliance with islam. Proposals made by the general secretary of the EU central committee and dircted and national no-longer-having-a-word-in-it parliaments are mandatory to be waved thorugh in parliaments and must be turned into national laws and policies, say EU treateies and laws. Parliaments have no choice, and governemnts have no choice either. The legal background derives from references in the coup d'etat document of the Lisbon dictate and refer to certain according passages and implications of the euphemistically so-called human rights charta of the EU that put any criticism of relgion in general and islam in special under penalty. All critical thought is put on a level with discrimination and hate speech. Both also is punishable, of course. Your aerguments are not important, whether or not you can prove that your criticism is correct or not, also is unimportant. you are forbidden to take a critical position on islam. Not being in favour of Islam, is an official crime in the EU.

Shariah, anyone?

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...ing-the-Koran/

The EU is determined to install Islam as the new state religion in europe. Probably to appease the oil-producing Islamic countries in face of a future where oil is becoming rare - and because countries like France, England, Sweden, Holland and now also Germany are already no longer master in their own hiouse anyway, and need to fear massive internal unrest, riots, and who klnows - one day even civil war if they do not give islamic communities more and more ground.

There will be a day when there is no more ground left that could be traded for time.

I read in the past 12 months that according criminal charges have been raised against critics of Islam in I estimate by memory ten EU-countries. CBN now lists 8 countries.

for German readers, this is a very nice essay abiout the tyranny of the politically correct normality that destroys free speech and free opinion and leads to a situation were the statisatic normality is not only boring and pathologic, but where the normal people in the Pc meaning are indeed the insane. The author if psychiatrist, Christian theologist and director of the Alexianer hospital in Cologne.

link:
Nur Verrückte sagen die Wahrheit

In germany, the climate is shifting currently.More and more people seem to lose their patience with Muslim migrants that dispise german culture and state explicitly and throw curses and threats in your face if you approach them in order to help them integrating. more and more people lose patience with a toitally failing political caste that is denying the existence of problems with integration and with islami spreacing in our societies like cancer - because then they would need to admit that since so long time they got it wrong and did it wrong, and this would cost them elections. Oponion researchers say there is potential for a new conservative party in germany, due to all conservatove heavywioeghts having lost merkel-destroyed CDU, the Sarrazin.-debate, the growing nervoiusness about a more and more openly offensive acting Islam in Germany, and the total ignorrance of the PC briagde, the left and the poltical caste and the shepards acting in the name of the church and intensively wishing things for the better from the deep deep bottom of their oh so well-meaning oh so tolerant oh so pacifist hearts. These researchers say that such a party would not only make it over the 5% hurdle instantly, but would have the potential to win 20% of votes by jump-start. It's just that so far nobody has dared to expose himself to the public execution by the PC brigades that inevitably would be waiting for him. And after the drmaatic disploay of a destroyed demicratic basic order in Germany as it was illszatrated in the unbelioevable witch-hunt on Sarrazin, I cannot criticise anyone thinkling twice before taking that step. An lonely opportunist has foiunded a new party recenbtly, yes, but he is a nobody and without public profile and attention. This is not the new party right of the CDU-CSU that ost party and political analysists expect in Germany to come sooner or later.

It seems to me that the willingness to accept miluitant terms to fight back the Eu and islam, also is growing in germany. Again, for that I also cannot criticise anybody. Rome is burning - how could the establishement that started the fires seriously expect that the people will peacefully stay in their burning houses? i do not live in the illusion anymore that we can get rid of the Eu and can fight back Islam anymore with only fully legal and peaceful terms - not when the legislation and the laws and the ordered consensus on what opinions are acceptable and what not have been explcitly designed to prevent any protest against it ever leading to success and the need to chnage. dialogues are meaningless if one side is determined from beginning on to just buy time and let the other side keep on talking so that it will not act.

I do not see civil war already around the next corner, but in the future, I see that chance very much - the more pressing social problems and shortages of basic ressources and the economic impact from that will make themselves felt by the people. earlier this year in some godforsaken german province somebody was sued for warning right of this. Warning of this scenario was called "endangering the public order", and the warning was interpreted as planning and wishing for the event it was warning of. How muczh more absurd can it become? I forgoit abiut that case in i think Lüneburg, and do not know how it ended and if it really went to the court. The socialist SPD and the Greens, both being poltical correctness fanatics, also have brandmarked opinions among their members challenging the official party line as "endangering the public order" and "hate speech to trigger riots" repeatedly in the past 1 or 2 years.

Freedom gets destroyed over here. Slowly, silently, in the hidden. that is no pathetic phrase. It's worrying reality. Two weeks ago I had a heated debate about freedom with Steve. I criticised the Amerian idea of unlimited freedom, saying that that would be freedom that necessarily destroys itself if it gives freedom even to those that explcitly want to destroy freedom. The extreme at the other end of the spectrum you see in europe: freedom getting abolished by a more and more tyrannically acting elite.when I listen to political comments and phrases, I hear the emty phrases they broadcasted in the Aktuelle Kamera of the GDR TV. the names have changed. A former FDJ propaganda aid is now chancellor of Germany. The same hollow word-shells. a direct trend towards eroding demoicracy, and caling a hardening dictatorship democratic by label although it is less and lesser any free in choiuce and opinion.

The best dictatorship is that is being erected inside the heads of people and makes them censoring themselves . And this is what political correctness is doing. In the long run, Europe is done, I think.

Aw, crap. Does that mean I have to learn Arabic?

No. But possibly your children. At least the girls will wear headsscarfs and veils when they have become women and are somewhere in their adult years, and they will need to accept that they have lesser rights and must be taken care of by males, since equality between man and women is stupid due to the well-known intellectual handicaps of women and their vulnerability to be obsessed by Shaitan.

when fearing for just your own future, for the near and medium future, you can still get off the hook by just tolerating their ongoing landtaking, not getting in their way, following the mantra of the PC society, and tolerating to pay the jizya - through your taxes you pay to the government which invests them into deals with Muslim countries and internal Muslim culture projects like mosques, or mosques, or to mention something different: mosques for example. The jizya is a tool of financial suppression by which the infidel should be pressured to submit to islam, so if you do not want to pay it, this is your rescue. After all, Islam means peace, so goes the claim. ;)

From Holland, Denmark, Sweden and England I have read reports since maybe two years that first churches now pay protection money directly to islamic communities in their neighbourhood in order to escape vandalisation and criminal thugs harassing Christian visitors of the churches, and to avoid the crimes gaining too much opublic attention that could hinder the appeasem... I mean the tolerant mutual dialogue. Malmö (SWE) and Aarhus (DEN) I remember right now. But there were more examples. I also know from first source about the everyday-discrimination of german teenage-sluts and german pig-eaters at several Berlin schools. In the past, calling a German a Nazi was an insult. Today, from Muslim mouths just calling a german a german already is the insult. The nazis, on the other hand, are highly respected in Islamic communities and in all countries where I have been. They are openly admired for the record they set in killing Jews. I should be proud of that heritgage, so I have been told repeatedly - last time not in some far away country, but in berlin, some years ago. :hmmm:

If I were you I would avoid certain cities and districts to found an existence there. Be flexible in your research on such cities - the list grows, slowly, but constantly.

Yes, that is exactly what the EU is doing,installing a state religion, how could have possibly missed this, I must be going senile in my old age. Either that or you just pulled that out of your arse, Skybird.

It'll be a very cold day in Hell if America becomes an Islamic state, if for no other reason than we (we the people) simply would not allow it. It just wouldn't be like us to allow a twisted ideology to challenge and overwhelm our society. [EDIT: We hardly allow Christianity into our schools; how the hell would Sharia Law be allowed in?]

Skybird, is Europe any different in that respect? I ask because I often wonder if you've allowed yourself to become too worked up over a perceived threat... a "what if" that has become a very real and immediate possibility to you. It will screw your mind over if you worry too much about it. ;)

Going back to my first paragraph -- right now the Muslims in America have more to worry about because of the possibility (and sometimes reality) of someone lashing out at them in anger. That's not a good sign for our country. The one thing that can be counted on right now is that fear rules. And when fear rules, rational thought ends up on the back burner. Here in the States, we don't have angry Muslim protests. We have angry working class protests on top of joblessness and an economy that hasn't begun to recover... and that has me a lot more worried than even Al-Queda ever did. How long will it be before someone gets hurt? How long will it be before someone starts throwing bricks at the scapegoats?

The one thing that Al-Queda accomplished well was to stir up resentment against an entire religion. Why should any society be afraid of such a counterproductive element? They have failed.


To further clarify, it is not Islam (e.g. Islam itself is NOT the twisted ideology that I referred to above) that we should be afraid of. FDR said something in a speech... what was it?


"...nothing to fear but fear itself."

And where does that fear come from. :ping:

He would seem to be using a lot of lubricant with the amount he pulls out lately, then again figments of his imagination probably slide very easily.



Shhhhhh! be quiet, don't let the EU conspiracy out of the bag.
Its all there in the secret legislation written in invisible ink that only Sky is able to find in the Lidson dictat



Errrrrrr.....you read crazy xenophobic blogs full of links to neo-nazi groups and religious lunatics so reports you read have very little credibility.
After all a sensible person wouldn't post an article about blacks ruining soccer unless it was to say "look at what these nuts are writing".:doh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11279317

Oh the hypocrisy. Oh the double standards. Compare this to Wetsern appeasers at GZ, or to my own story that I have told before:

a Muslim group that tried to buy property by hiding it's identity in a deal accepted by the german seller only on explicit and fixed-in-treaty precondition that the property will not be used for building (in that case: increasing an existing) a (backyard) mosque (the district is totally burgeois and there do not even live any Muslim migrants). They send a strawman. Our citizen initiative successfully fought a court battle over that fraudulent behavior, and the deal was declared invalid. Afterwards, when it was over (and I have hints that other muslim organistions were putting them under pressure, too, because they may draw unwanted public attention to the mosque-djihad in germany) one of them told me right into my face: "Of course we lied - else you would not have sold us the property." The chairman of the initiave was threatened, his wife harassed on ipen street, they finally moved away into a different city. I received letters with death threads some months later. Two other members of the core group of this initiative were beaten up by Muslim gangs on weekend nights when returning from evenings in town.

Local newspapers refused to report more than just some tweo- and threeliners about it all. Too hot, they said. When I showed the letters to the local police, they advised me that if I do not want to be questioned by the BKA over my radical political background, I better remain silent about it.

Taqiyya - deception and lie in defence of the interest of Islam, is fully acceptable. and they practice themselves what the accuse others of. Ha.

Where?
Oh yeah in your warped mind:doh:

:har::har::har::har::har::har:
A conspiracy within the conspiracy about the conspiracy.

Just heard on the news that the Imam has decided to NOT go ahead with the temple.

Good for him.

Common sense prevails.

I now return you to your debate :salute:

Translated by me from this article in the Kölner Stadtanzeiger:
http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1281431710357.shtml

The West in the Angst-trap

The mere announcement of a provincial preacher to burn a Quran, is enough to make the West massively afraid of Islamic retaliation. So we already apologize in advance - that reveals features of a deep psychosis.

In May 2009, bibles were burning in Afghanistan, set aflame by US soldiers. A church community had send them to Afghanistan, translated into the two dominant languages of the country, in order to missionise. A US officer explained that since this could put soldiers and civilians at risk, all pieces of the holy scripture got burned. The episode was just a small news message. Protests are not known, nobody ever came to harm. One and a half year later, in September 2010, no books were burning in Florida. The gone-nuts pastor did not set aflame a single Quran. He just threatened to do it. Over this episode, half the world held it's breath, tens of thousands were protesting, in Afghanistan one person got shot to death.

On the surface both events seem to have nothing to do with each other. But they show: in the era post-9/11 the reaction to burning books depends on what books get burned by whom - and who could feel offended by that. surely it is a dusgusting gesture when a priest wants to burn the Quran. But is it a reason to go totally cuckoo? Must the Vatican, the UN, and on the other side of the Atlantic the german chancellor, the central committee of the Jews , the protestant church distance themselves from it in public? It seems as if the whole Wetsern world (to which several million muslims belong) felt a craving to make it clear that they have nothing to do with the plan of Terry Jones. Like a suspect who swears to have been brought to court unjustified.

And this although everybody with reason and reasonability knew that nobody else than just this unimportant provincial preacher Terry Jones was behind it. That the US, the Vatican, yes, even the protestant church are innocent. and yet there were many days of violent protests and hate preachings in the Islamic world. The sentence already had been decided on, hate does not need any evidence. So why this hysteric self-defencem then? Because of fear. After the attacks in London 2005, thousands of people in all the world published photos in the internet, with the message saying "We are not afraid". what'S left of that, when the american commander-in-chief in Afghanistan due to threats over a planned burning of the Quran in Florida warns in public over dangers for his soldiers? Attack by attack, video by video, murder by murder the West seems to lose its courage. The West is paralysed by fear.

More and more poeple seriously believe that Islamic murder gangs would save us if we would whistle especially kind and friendly during our walk in the woods - or shut our mouths completely. Instead of being happy that we have free media and an uncensored internet, we debate over Terry Jones if maybe it wouldn't be better if we make a bit less use of that freedom. If the next time one could not deal more descreetly with a story like this, although it is a good story. The guilt and responsibility for this escalation - we search in us - as if it were us who threaten others with terror and violence. Self-criticism turns into a psychosis. We even apologise while we are getting beaten. But nothing, absolutely nothing justifies an ideology that motivates people to blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd of innocents.

Not even Terry Jones can be held responsible, when from Teheran to Kandahar zero scientifc Nobel prize winners get educated, because the youth gets trained in burning flags and dying as martyrs. BTW: i the next days, in Teheran another woman could be stoned to death. For claimed adultry. From the central committeee of Muslims in Germany, from the muslim coordination council, even from the protestant church there is not a signle public statement toi be found where they distance themselves from this . They are way too busy to react calm and thoughtfully to Terry Jones.

Totally agree to that.....and lots of other things.
That what i would call xenophobia.

I think it is more precise to diagnose "autophobia", a fear of one'S own identity and fearing to stand up in defence of it. The "xenophobia" some may feel indeed (racists, not islam critics) is just a superficial symptom of that psychosis the author diagnoses, but at the heart of that psychosis lies a very strong autophobia, if not self-hate.

The German essay that I linked yesterday and did not translate due to its length, also argues like that. It's author, a psychiatrist and theologist, points out the strict polarisation between good and evil that this thing called political correctness now aggressively enforces in our societies, defining what is acceptable to say and to think and to do, and what people nowadays must be burned at the stake for in thought, statement and behavior. This is expression of the deep uncertainity that dominates our people's minds that no longer are allowed to ground on traditional identities and value systems basing on a long history and identity-forming. Our old identity feeling, our identification with our culture and history, have been deconstructed and destroyed, the old standards and scale have been destroyed, disorientation is the consequence, and this leads to the totalitarian dictate of standards as defined by poltiical correctness. But PC is just the garbage that got sucked in by the vacuum we have allowed to be created inside of our communities. That we did this, has several reasons, the second world war may have a role here, the reoirentation towards total comuerism and materialsm denying noin-material values, the merciless competition race the individual has to survive today, and the relativisation of the influence of the churches' role and the Christian dogma.

The West is a hollow torso. a vaccum is filled by what before was outside the system. Islam happened to stand close by whwere before it was actively fought back since centuries, and political correctness is just something like the reacxtion of an immune-system turning against the hosting organism by mistake, because the host does not identify its own legitimate identity anymore.

I just can't get past the irony of Sky citing CBN. :o