nisgeis
 

true. so, if I want to attack a target different that the one I am tracking, I put the scope on it and get its range?

Yes. You should already have speed and course for just about every ship in the group so all you need is final bearing and range.

JCC

Battle of Philipine Sea
 

I am getting closer. I tried tracking a TF. I got three good range and bearings at 29K yds. So I set the TDC for the TF course at 70 degrees. Then, when I tried to get speed, I had difficulty. I had a computer speed of 19.75 and went with it, but my plots are around 11K, plus they revealed a possible different course. The long and short of it is that I fired on AO (carrier?) at 2000 yds., and the torpedoes ran several hundred yards ahead of the target. I need more practice, but at least the carrier was in the neighborhood. I think the day glow sign above my ship that said "Using Nisgeis Brand New 3D TDC Device Plus Channing's Training Manual with Hits Guaranteed" gave away my position.

i hit something
 

http://a.imageshack.us/img821/4462/m...ts5and6.th.jpg

Well, I did hit something in Mission No. 3. But everytime I try to make a screenshot, I get a thumbnail.

Well done.

Still have problems
 

My persistent problem is that the target dial on the upper left of the 3D TDC appears useless in setting course. If I move the white triangle on that dial to 220 degrees, the movements on the ship's dials on the upper right do not comport to that course. And when I send the 220 degree course to the TDC via the Aob dial, it ends up at some other course which matches the triangle(or the two triangles on the ship's dials on the upper right?) is at when I recheck the 3D TDC screen to see what the hell happened. I mean, moving the triangle on the 3D TDC screen to 220 degrees is straightforward, and this should not be happening.

On the other hand, if I move the two ship's dials on the upper right of the 3D TDC to 220 degrees and send that course to the TDC per the Aob dial, it works (for awhile) and then the course begins to change. When it changes I can reset it, but what is going on?

I assume I set course with the PK off, and turn the PK on after I have entered it accurately.

What is the story? Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Getting course is not a problem. I have figured out a shortcut, which involves taking a range and bearing, writing them down on a notepad, using the pencil to plot the point on the Nav Map where the reading was taken, and using the protractor tool to plot the angle. I do not plot the range. I plot the range after I have taken 3 or 4 readings per the above. It is a time saver, and is helpful if you make a mistake, as you can observe it fairly quickly on the Nav Map.

Yes, that's right. When you use the wrong dial to set the right information, it doesn't work. If you want to set the target course, use the target course dial. DO NOT USE ANY OTHER DIAL TO READ TARGET COURSE FROM APART FROM THE TARGET COURSE DIAL.

As for the rest of your question, if you have entered the initial problem (range and bearing, speed and target course (AoB)) and have the PK running, DO NOT TURN OFF THE PK FOR ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER.

:cool: Paste your screenie to MS Paint and save it as a jpeg. Then upload it to Photobucket.

Here they are. I still cannot get a full size screenshot even using photobucket. If someone can give me specific sizing instructions for MS Paint and photobucket, I would appreciate it.

First shot is the the plot. Second shot, torpedoes 1 and 2 miss aft. (Pic too small to see torpedoes' wakes) So do torpedoes 3 and 4. Third shot: Torpedoes 5 and 6 make contact. Map contacts off. Range: around 2,000 yds. Target course: 220 degrees, heading from NE. Note: the target has passed 0 degrees and was pulling away.

Note: The plot: Red circle re No. 1 shows copies of the "x" I placed on the Nav Map to extend the plot to a long distance. Red circle no. 2 is the bearing angle plotted for each of the three plotts. Course reading per compass tool was 220 degrees.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/j...3SubSchool.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/j...fthetarget.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/j...shots5and6.jpg

[QUOTE=I'm goin' down;1470337]My persistent problem is that the target dial on the upper left of the 3D TDC appears useless in setting course. If I move the white triangle on that dial to 220 degrees, the movements on the ship's dials on the upper right do not comport to that course. And when I send the 220 degree course to the TDC via the Aob dial, it ends up at some other course which matches the triangle(or the two triangles on the ship's dials on the upper right?) is at when I recheck the 3D TDC screen to see what the hell happened. I mean, moving the triangle on the 3D TDC screen to 220 degrees is straightforward, and this should not be happening.
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Okay. I understand your reply. However, sir, if it is correct then Mr. Channing needs to rewrite a portion of the tutorial. He clearly states that you should drag the white triangle on the target screen on the upper left of the 3D TDC to the target's plotted course, and that the two triangles on the the Target Course screen on the upper right of the 3D TDC will move in a corresponding matter to match the plotted course. I blindly followed Channing's instruction without success on several occasions. It was only when I disregarded his instruction re the dial on the upper left of the screen, and only adjusted the dials on the Target Course screen, that I properly sent the target's plotted course to the TDC via the Aob dial. On top of that, moving the twin dials on the Target Course Screen is not simple, especially when you have to move the two dials from a course of, say, 100 degrees to a course of, say 250 degrees. Please respond re the tutorial, as no one else has weighed in with this problem.

By the way, it is time for a master gunner like sergi to make a video tutorial. Reading, seeing and doing are a fast way to learn.

I am off to sink the third ship in Tutorial No. 3.:D

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=2742

Maybe I am missing something but I don't see where this says anything about upper left. It refers to the "Target DIAL", and then the next slide refers to the "Target Course DIAL".

JCC

John, what are you saying? Are you saying you agree with me? Or, are you saying that it is the triangle on the Target dial that one should I should drag to set course? If the later, I think it is incorrect as I have explained above. The above pic clearly infers, incorrectly I believe, that course is changed (i.e. set) by dragging the triangle on the Target dial (not the Target Course triangles.)

If you are saying that you drag the two Target Course triangles, then I am in agreement that those two triangles be dragged to set the target's course for transmission to the TDC via the Aob dial.

Please enlighten me as to what you want me to do. I will do it. I am not sure what the purpose of the above pic is other than to inform us that we can expose a triangle on the Target dial and drag it around. It has no particular function from what I can discern. If you had a pic of the Target Course dials on the other hand, and advise us to drag the two triangles to the appropriate course, I would understand the above pic. (I am aware that you advise dragging the two triangles on a subsequent pic, but that does not explain the purpose of an instruction dragging the triange on the target dial above.)

Practice mission 3
 

The target south of the boat in the mission, how do you formulate an attack plan? The target is closing so fast from starboard that it is hard to close with accurate range and bearing plots. Should I turn my boat to port and race ahead of the target? This is a tough target.

If I am thinking clearly:
The triangle on the Target Dial is used to quickly move the triangles on the Target Course dial. As you mention, the Target Course triangles can be a pain to drag around.

Click and drag the Target Dial triangle, while keeping an eye on the Target Course Dial. When the two triangles are near what you need to set, go to that dial, and fine tune the course with those. You do not need to set anything on the Target Dial itself, it's just a way to quickly set the Target Course Dial. What that triangle points to does not matter, don't even bother looking at it. Pay attention only to the Target Course Dial.


Edit:
This slide:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=2740

Exactly right.

JCC