In fact, for Silent Hunter IV, they did but it still came out with more than it's fair share of problems. Some members of the Subsim community were unofficially involved with it while it was still in the design phase and right up to Beta and release.

In the end it will always come down to time and resources. Intentions and plans take a back seat.

JCC

You didn't mention the leaked SH4 patch that was being beta tested by community members - effectively destroying any chance of community involvement in development ever again.

Yeah... that was such a crappy time I try to put it out of my mind. I really felt bad for a couple of well meaning people who only wanted the best for the community and then some creep pays them back like that.

On the other hand I would love to know who the SOB that leaked it was. I would love the opportunity to explain to them publically how badly they screwed things up for everyone else. I truly believe that that is one of the main reasons for Ubisoft's "keep it quiet" policy this time around.

JCC

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Being a non-owner of SH5, but an owner of SH3 and SH4, I am in Sailor Steve's position and will join him as cheerleader. I've been very critical of Ubi but putting Sorlim forward is a positive step that needs total support.

We need a great submarine simulator. Whether it is U-Boats, fleet boats or other is of secondary importance. Where it comes from is of secondary importance. If, in spite of missteps so far, Ubi is the one who steps up and delivers, GREAT! I loudly jungle unspent submarine simulator allocated cash in my pocket for a great product protected by DRM that makes sense and does not remove well established fair use rights of owners of copyrighted materials.

I insist on retaining my right to sell, lend or give away the game I have purchased. As with Steam, that right is subject to exchange for compelling value, but it will be entirely voluntary on my part.

As far as fixing the mechanics of the game, it looks like to major players are all here. Go! Go! Go! Privateer, it might be a good idea to hook Sorlim up with your site.:up:

After reading through all these posts and never really putting my opinion across on many of the threads that are a bit of tit for tat talk, Now no offence to anyone with that statment. Here we go with the PC bit. Not saying that all the other threads with heart felt conflict or criticism, From both lovers and haters, was at all a waste of time, But its time I said something Ref Sorlim.

This guy seems to be a very out spoken, willing and able person, Thats because he put his hand up and got noticed and is willing to take the flak from all of us here and genuienly seems to care about us and what we all think and feel about SH5. Thats was a big task that UBI has left him with and it looks like they might of gave the job to the right person, Now if all of the feedback everybody gives comes to nothing. There should be no hard feelings, This is guy is gonna try, is my guess and all the people with bitter tastes in there mouths should wash it away. Give the guy what he wants, We all have gripes with things in life and no point in being a part of the problem, be part of the soultion, This community has a great sense of dedication and pride rarely seen anywhere( On the Net ) and should remember that and focus on the problem at hand, Rant over, all BS. But I could go on forever so I thought I might stop.

Anyways hope it all works out, Dont know why I wil put this up but hey.

IMHO Ubi put the new community manager in to prevent disasterous PR complaints and possible litigation by them not addressing the outstanding issues of this sim...

So maybe he's just here to crack some cool jokes and try to make us happy by repeating that UBI does care about us without accomplishing anything regarding official future support for this title in way of additional patches, drm issues etc...

I really hope this is just more than an empty PR Damage Control Maneuver by UBI soft...

I really expect more at this point than some weekly jokes to keep us happy.

All he needs to do is click on my sig.
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Well, you can count me out...

...only because I haven't played the game and thus couldn't contribute anything that wasn't second hand or hearsay, at least beyond broad reasons why the game doesn't appeal to me (and no, DRM doesn't factor as a big issue to me).

So I'll join the others on the sideline and watch the proceedings unfold. :up:

No offsence taken bud! Thats why I asked .... if I get offended by forum posts then I dont have enough REAL work to do in life :)

Well, so much for Sorlim!:salute:

Whaaa....what do you mean by that? Did he get relieved of duty?

And most of us thank you MODS and Neil for hanging in there with our shenanigans :yeah: (even mine)

I think sorlim would find an EXCELLENT team HERE at subsim ready to help him out. And that is starting with the thread you put up for CONSTRUCTIVE critism and suggestions for SH5 ...again a big :yeah:

In fact even ms-kleaneasy has thanked subsim for that thread WOOT! Here http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...1851004178/p/8

The only way we shall have any hope to see REAL bug fixes from UBI, and maybe even some loosening up on the source code so our MODDERS can kick arse ...is to be constructive and SHOW UBI a fan base DOES exsist.

And some of us also thank Neal.
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I've always appreciated Kneel actually :DL

Yup, Gneel is a great guy!

JCC