But you don't want a realistic moder "Hot War" either, as that would probably mean everybody pushes all the buttons, and there's nobody left to fight and no home to go to. Not for me, thanks.

And just because you're opinion differs doesn't mean you have to call people "brain dead", or even "unimaginative"; it implies that you are incapable of having a real discussion.

I think you missed the point...I understand the "what if" hypothetical campaign, but fighting that sort of war with those weapons does not appeal to me. Hence my comment.

As long as they could merge SHIII and 4 together so you had both sides plus the Brit, Japanese and Russian subs, I'd go for that. Plus any WWII subs I didn't mention. ;)

But only if it works as advertised right out of the box. Like finish the damn thing before it's released. :yep:

Thank you - my point exactly. Atleast the devs have gone a step closer with the Convoy commander option in multiplayer.

:up: I'd buy it!

From the few posts I've seen describing cold war era sub sims as a "snooze fest"...

I would say first, go read Blind Mans Bluff. And secondly you're missing the point, it would obviously be a simulation of a war event in the cold war era, similar to Red Storm Rising.

Who says you have to immitate history? Would be cool though if I could create a special ops sub to search the bottom with a tethered submersible for communication lines and them send my dive team in to tap the line and gain an advantage against my adversary.

People want ANOTHER WWII sim?

YES! Let's camp out in a leaky, tin can, put around at 5 knots, and sit and wait for a destroyer! Sounds REAL fun. WWII era was fun, but it's really old now. I think the cold war would be a good choice, however there was no combat. There could be hypothetical scenarious created, however the rivet counters would pout. I want something a bit more modern. Don't get me wrong, the WWII era was great, but it's getting old.

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...that was too funny. :lol:

How about going above water Ubi and slugging it out surface style?

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It seems like the General stirred up a hornets nest the polls say that the Cold war would be better but it seems like every one on the thread is saying that that would be BS I like the idea of a Cold war era sub game it seems cool

While the idea of a cold-war sub sim is not something that interests me, it's obvious that a lot of people are for it, as they are still outvoting us WWII lovers. I don't mind the idea, even though it's not my thing; I only objected to the Silent Hunter name. That said, if people want it, and somebody makes it, I say more power to them. The more honest combat simulations the better.:sunny:

Ah, I see we have a genius here. Newsflash. The Soviets and US Fleet boat of the 1950s were equipped with improved versions of WWII torpedoes; along with a few homing torpedoes. There was none of this "fire and forget" advanced torpedo stuff.

Thanks for the resoundingly pleasant compliment! I really don't have much interest in the timeperiod, the weapons, or the operations, real or imagined. FYI: The Cold War lasted up until the 1990s. I know it's fun to cherry pick timeperiods to make me look foolish, but when you consider the scope of the entire Cold War, there was a lot of technological advancements in the field of "fire and forget" weapons that I'm quite simply not interested in. But hey, don't let silly things like facts get in the way of insulting me!

Anyways, you made it very clear that differing opinions are O.K.! You stay classy too, buddy! :up:

I'd love to see a cold-war era SHV. I'm a big fan of Red Storm Rising, 688i and Dangerous Waters. And I'm tired of the WW2 theater for subsims for now.

I think that comparing SH from World War II to, say, 'Dangerous Waters' or even '688i' is like comparing apples with pears.

First off, the SH-series has created its own atmosphere. The player actually gets a bit of an idea of what it is like to be inside a submarine, and there is a huge sense of freedom. That gives the SH-series an advantage over Dangerous Waters and 688i. Dangerous Waters is 'just' moving from screen-screen to screen-screen - all very sterile.

I mean, put me in an operation room in a hospital and tell me to get sexually aroused, and I won't be able to get it up. Put me in a top-notch hotel room with a nice woman, and it becomes a whole different story. Dangerous Waters and its ilk are fun but they're operation rooms, while SH is that sleazy bar with two bisexual models-turned-porn actresses thrown in, and free booze to boot.

Welp, what I'd like, and what I've always favoured, is a remake of 'Red Storm Rising', with the fun of the Silent Hunter-level stuff (being able to move through your sub, actually being in the con etc) and the campaign-stuff of Red Storm Rising.

I mean, if you consider the fact that the Soviets back in the day basically wanted to re-enact Nazi Germany's U-boat campaign, but then not just isolating Great Britian but all of Europe, but then with about 200 subs more than the Nazis ever had, boy - that'd be fun!

Just imagine being in the high sees, approaching the sonobuoys fixed to the ocean floor (the Greenland-Iceland-UK-gap), ensuring you're not heard or picked up by a P-3 with its MAD dish, and then heading out into the Atlantic Ocean to sink US convoys headed for Europe, while you can see the progress of the Red Army while they crash forward into Western Europe...

Or commanding a Seawolf of 688 class, moving in silently through waters riddled with sonobuoys as you approach the northern coast of the Kola Peninsula to destroy Tu-22M Backfire air bases with Tomahawks...

As a side campaign, I can imagine being a Russki captain in a Whiskey or Foxtrot near Cuba at the absolute high-point (or low-point if you will), and just when you're surrounded by three US destroyers the chef in the back drops a metal pan on another metal pan and both pans just happen to fall on that one piece of floor where there's no rubber tiles...

Or moving into the Boomer Bastion to take out Typhoons after an Emergency Action Message flashes that Soviet land forces are suddenly dispersing from their bases within the Soviet Union amid high tensions - a tell-tale sign of something *VERY* bad waiting to happen...

Or the 'Armageddon'-scenario, where you're commanding your Ohio SSBN and *the* Emergency Action Message heralding DEFCON 1 arrives, while you know that there's at least one Akula out there somewhere.
And of course, after the Tridents have rippled and the tubes are empty, you get to sit back and pop a beer as you, through the external view or from the bridge while surfaced, watch the flashes in the distance, wondering about what kind of world awaits those who will survive the radiation, as "We'll meet again" is played ;)

Yeah. I'd like that.

I've been playing sub sims since 15 years and the beginning of the cold war era sound good to me...
Maybe we will have the command of the first nuclear sub or firing the first ballistic missle :roll:

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:up: sounds good

and maybe we could have uk subs aswell tht would be good like the ones i served in:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: