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The Obama WH did a lot worse. The Obama admin declared war on Fox news and cut off their access. The Obama admin sent more people to jail for leaking info to journalists than any previous admin. The Obama admin bugged journalist's phones, etc.

Where was the outrage back then?

Exactly.

ValoWay

02-26-17 04:24 PM

nah, trump doesn't wanna be a dictator! He merely wants to make life easier for those who really really need it! :03:

Oberon

02-26-17 04:40 PM

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...x/60343963.jpg

Bilge_Rat

02-27-17 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2468841)

But, it's been a long time since the White House has actively shunned select media from White House briefing or gaggle though, hasn't it?

Nope, Obama did exactly the same.

Skybird

02-27-17 07:41 AM

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/02...end-democracy/

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The Reichstag fire shows how quickly a modern republic can be transformed into an authoritarian regime. There is nothing new, to be sure, in the politics of exception. The American Founding Fathers knew that the democracy they were creating was vulnerable to an aspiring tyrant who might seize upon some dramatic event as grounds for the suspension of our rights. As James Madison nicely put it, tyranny arises “on some favorable emergency.” What changed with the Reichstag fire was the use of terrorism as a catalyst for regime change. To this day, we do not know who set the Reichstag fire: the lone anarchist executed by the Nazis or, as new scholarship by Benjamin Hett suggests, the Nazis themselves. What we do know is that it created the occasion for a leader to eliminate all opposition.

Erdoghan. Putin. Trump (but also the years before, Patriot Act and all that). A clear pattern. The same pattern in all three cases.

STEED

02-27-17 08:31 AM

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SKY NEWS - Does the Oscars blunder have implications for the US election result? Are Russian hackers to blame? Social media is in meltdown.

White House spokesman said President Trump will be speaking to Mr Putin in due course about this matter. :03:

August

02-27-17 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2469026)

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/02...end-democracy/

Erdoghan. Putin. Trump (but also the years before, Patriot Act and all that). A clear pattern. The same pattern in all three cases.

The US is not Russia or Turkey That could never happen here.
And what does this rant have to do with book reviews?

AVGWarhawk

02-27-17 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2469007)

Nope, Obama did exactly the same.

FOX and Obama were not friends. :yep: The memory span of most Americans goes back to the last 10 minutes of their life. After that....it's all a bit fuzzy.

Skybird

02-27-17 11:23 AM

Many US conservatives like Ayn Rand. Trump likes Ayn Rand. I like Atlas Shrugged. But I do not like Trump. Why Ayn Rand also would not have liked Trump, and would have found Trump treacherous, is very well - and objectively - explained by historian Jennifer Burns in this essay:

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2...omplettansicht

Dont worry, its in English.

Too many conservatives cheery-pick from Rand's conception of her so-called objectivistic philospophy, and ignore what does not suit their taste or opportunistic needs. But that is the problem, it is not so easily possible to just cherry-pick without betray the rest of Rand's conceptions as well. As Burns puts it in the end of her essay: "In the end, what Rand has imparted to American politics today is not so much an ideology, as an attitude: [...]"

Skybird

02-27-17 11:35 AM

And here is Nate Silver with a hidden warning that Trump opponents and the Democrats maybe repeat the same mistake they already fell to during the election campaign: to mistake wishful thinking with reality.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ps-popularity/

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In some ways, the pattern reflected the one before November’s election, when reporters and pundits selectively interpreted the evidence and assumed that Hillary Clinton was a much heavier favorite than she really was based on the polls. Trump is not very popular, but he’s also no more unpopular than Barack Obama was for much of his presidency. If his numbers hold where they they are right now — especially among registered voters — Republicans would probably hold their own in 2018, and 2020 would be another highly competitive election.

Like it or not - Trump is more popular than those opposing him want to realise he is.

Me, I just scratch my head why this is so - but I take note of that it is so.

Skybird

02-27-17 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2469056)

That could never happen here.

No?

Oberon

02-27-17 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2469074)

No?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here :haha:

Oberon

02-27-17 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2462132)

Few people are as critical about Bush than I am, but I have to acknowledge that Bush refrained from breaking this tradition.

http://www.today.com/news/george-w-b...m_npd_nn_tw_ma

Bilge_Rat

02-27-17 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2469106)

http://www.today.com/news/george-w-b...m_npd_nn_tw_ma

typical sleazy journalism.

Bush was appearing on a non-political topic, his work on behalf of wounded veterans, but the interviewer was asking him loaded questions on Trump. The media then takes snippets of those answers out of context to give the impression that Bush is criticizing Trump.

I watched the entire interview and Bush was careful to give non-committal answers to all topics, whether the role of the press or the travel ban that do not take a position on Trump's policies.

Bush was acting with class which is much too rare these days, the journalist was not.

Mr Quatro

02-27-17 03:06 PM

Don't be fooled! The New York Times is no friend of Trump ... they have been making money off of his foolishness for a long time and their readership/subscribers have grown to large sizes.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/26/medi...ons/index.html

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President Trump's attacks on the media are the "best thing" to happen to New York Times subscriptions, the newspaper's editor says.
Times executive editor Dean Baquet was asked by CNN's Brian Stelter on "Reliable Sources" on Sunday about how Trump has affected readership.
"Every time he tweets, it drives subscriptions wildly," Baquet said.

Below is old news, but proves they have an agenda against the POTUS and they are making money at the same time.

Barrage of Attack Ads Threatens to Undermine Donald Trump ...
https://www.nytimes.com/.../us/polit...ative-ads.html
Apr 12, 2016 · Credit Nathaniel Brooks for The New York Times ... assailing Mr. Trump, according to a New York Times analysis of

Which Ad Portraying Donald Trump as a Misogynist Was More ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/u...nst-trump.html
May 18, 2016 · Video embedded · ... titled “Speak,” that uses Donald J. Trump’s own statements against him to depict ...

Republican Group to Intensify Campaign Against Trump - The ...
http://www.nytimes.com/live/super-tu...roup-formed-to
... is boosting its staff and planning a full-fledged campaign against Donald J. Trump

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