Well.. I've tested and measured..

- Reworked Morale & Abilities
- AMMO SH5 by Raven2012
- C/38-twin and 88mm deck gun
- reload time: C/38 - 10 seconds, 88mm gun - 10 seconds in the .sim files

All gunner's special abilities fully enabled.. reload time should be decreased by 20%.. but..

C/38 - 10 seconds, 88mm gun - 10 seconds in the game :o

PS: now start to test the trav/elev tolerance angles

How are you testing the crew Gap:06:

When out on patrol and you give them promotion point have you checked to see the effect of their stats?

Here is my crewman 16 - as you can see he is not a very good shot and is poor at reloading the gun:D
Perhaps he needs motivating

I don't understand :hmmm:

Too many interactions... I am afraid these settings are too complicated for us to understand them in a reasonable time frame without the help of someone who already messed with them... :-?

Rongel, have you finished sabotaging those torpedoes yet? :D

Hopefully these will be a lot easier to understand :up:

I am a total blind at this matter... what I've done is reported in my previous post. In a nutshell, I measured gun reload times at the beginning of the career, and compared them with the settings stored in gun's sim file.

Unfortunately, I cannot go beyond this point, because I have not old campaign savegames, and currently my gpu is overheating a lot if I play for more than 10 minutes... :nope:

Anyway, what I am trying to do is making sure that sim/zon file settings are not increased or decreased by morale factors beyond reasonable and realistic limits :yep:

It was a damn long evening/night :nope:

1. stock C/30, obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.8, reload time 5, ammo 500, ahead standart, battlestations activated, close range, fire at all targets

test1: trav/elev tolerance 15, wind 0, shots to shoot down 80,73,233

test2: trav/elev tolerance 15, wind 5, shots to shoot down 120,40,160


test3: trav/elev tolerance 11, wind 0, shots to shoot down 185,112,63

test4: trav/elev tolerance 11, wind 5, shots to shoot down 120,120,147


test5: trav/elev tolerance 7, wind 0, shots to shoot down 193,173,192

test6: trav/elev tolerance 7, wind 5, shots to shoot down 215,22,33


test7: trav/elev tolerance 3, wind 0, shots to shoot down 110,213,111

test8: trav/elev tolerance 3, wind 5, shots to shoot down 111,120,66


2. stock C/30, trav/elev tolerance 15, reload time 5, ammo 500, ahead standart, battlestations activated, close range, fire at all targets

test1: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.70, wind 0, shots to shoot down 230,no hits,no hits

test2: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.75, wind 0, shots to shoot down 376,215,138

test3: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.80, wind 0, shots to shoot down 92,67,134

test4: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.85, wind 0, shots to shoot down 272,146,180

test5: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.90, wind 0, shots to shoot down no hits,464,no hits

Each test was run three times.. and a thousand tests are not included in this list.. :D


also there are two interesting settings in the .sim: obj_Turret/Elevation/speed and obj_Turret/Traverse/speed.. I'll look at them more closely tomorrow/today..:D :03:

:salute:

:D

Volodya, you are my hero!
just give me the time to put your results in a chart :up:


Those parameters are the speed at wich the gun is aimed, and they also affect gun's stabilization :yep:

Yep, my morale/efficiency mod is based on stock settings, so I haven't explored that much actual effects of the commands. I'm basically hoping that they work, in some cases I have found that entry doesn't make any difference and I have removed it. But I don't wan't to go deeper there now!

The torpedoes have to wait until weekend! But maybe when I get it together, I'll post a test mod. It's a real pain to test random values!

Ok, no problem :up:

Yes it is. :nope:
Take your time on it

I calculated the average numbers of shots, and put them on graph:

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2889/graph1j.jpg

from your tests we should deduce that there isn't a linear relationship between set tolerance angles and gun's accuracy neither at 0 m/s wind speed, nor at 5 m/s.

More surprisingly, the accuracy seems sensibly higher at 5 m/s than it is at 0 m/s (which is exactly the opposite of what one would expect) though this difference tends to attenuate at higher tolerance settigs.

What is interesting is that the two graphs seem specular, but this fact could be a mere cohincidence.

Summing up, being standard deviation values deduced from your data very high, we need for much more tests of each type before we can come to a conclusion. Repeating our tests with higher wind speeds (10 or 15 m/s) and tolerance angles (up to 30 deg) might help as well.

I will join you in doing it. Since we are at it, did you use any environmental mod affecting waves heights or sub's pitch and roll during your tests? I want to make sure to test under the same conditions than you :up:

It is unbelievable how much sensitive is gun's accuracy to these parameters: +/- one tenth of second and their effectiveness gets totally compromised :yep:

damn.. I have a bad connection to the net again.. :nope:

unfortunately it's impossible.. at least for the AI-gunners.. the dive trigger turn on and AI-gunner leave his station at these wind speed values..

I'll test it later tonight..

stock SH5 + New UIs + IRAI + Cameras ratio + your single mission #2 + test mod (.sim).. That's all folks © :D

This is also true for conning tower mounted guns? :hmmm:
What is the maximum wind speed at which deck crew won't leave their stations?

Take your time, Volodya ;)

Okay :up:

P.S: perhaphs I have found a way to force any kind of flak gun in single mission:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sho...d.php?t=180669

This was with SHIII. Let's hope that with SH5 it is the same :)

:yep: :nope:

5-6 m/s.. but already sometimes they must be sent back to their place..

a bit later..
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a few new tests..

1. stock C/30, trav/elev tolerance 15, reload time 5, ammo 500, ahead standart, battlestations activated, close range, fire at all targets

test1: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.80, wind 0, shots to down 170,7,23,248,119,100
test1a: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.80, wind 5, shots to down 170,178,190,105,217,70

test2: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.81, wind 0, shots to down 48,80,78,120,89,129
test2a: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.81, wind 5, shots to down 96,37,305,68,120,90

test3: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.82, wind 0, shots to down 46,140,165,44,169,46
test3a: obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.82, wind 5, shots to down 280,96,125,220,260,68

were tested also: 5.75-5.79, 5.83-5.85.. results don't deserve attention..

Each test was run six times..

I think this value (5.81) as the most stable might be used as a base value for the new tests and future stand alone mod..

to be continued.. :D

It probably is: :up:

* 107 / 74 putting together the results of your previous tests and the new ones

I think you deserve some rest now! ;) :)

rest? :hmmm:

Rest in peace to all the pilots of the hundreds downed Hurricanes :haha:

new portion

stock C/30, obj_Turret/Elevation/gun_anim/end_index 5.81, reload time 5, ammo 500, ahead standart, battlestations activated, close range, fire at all targets

test1: trav/elev tolerance 10, wind 0, shots to down 200,196,9,170,32,220
test1a: trav/elev tolerance 10, wind 5, shots to down 55,100,91,155,117,130

test2: trav/elev tolerance 15, wind 0, shots to down 209,123,69,91,100,77
test2a: trav/elev tolerance 15, wind 5, shots to down 140,93,6,8,157,129

test3: trav/elev tolerance 20, wind 0, shots to down 140,196,243,9,91,188
test3a: trav/elev tolerance 20, wind 5, shots to down 157,91,68,178,140,300

test4: trav/elev tolerance 25, wind 0, shots to down 167,120,49,96,76,136
test4a: trav/elev tolerance 25, wind 5, shots to down 135,42,111,43,140,172

I don't see any regularities.. so I suggest leave these values/angles ​​as they are for the future mod.. I mean trav/elev tolerance 15..

I think it's time to test the obj_Turret/Elevation/speed and obj_Turret/Traverse/speed and then move on to testing the deck gun.. and I'll need a new single mission for this..

:D

If during your tests you used like me Fx Updates, you would have given those poor aviators at least a tiny chance to survive :03:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pict...pictureid=3959

at low wind speeds the high tolerance factors you have set won't make any difference. Try doing some more tests with tolerance set to 1 (like AI guns) and wind speed as high as possible.

A suggestion: set low train/elev speed and tolerance and high wind speed, and try manning the gun manually :03:

Okay, no problem :up:

:D

OK.. I'll test it..

I saw these changes in the Sober's gun mod but I think we need to make more fine-tuning of these values.. :up:

yes, sort of, but I think sober limited himself to tweak gun's aiming speeds, leaving tolerance factors unchanged

Now we are just experimenting what the various settings are doing in game. Once we get a clearer picture we will finetune them. But we should do it over a set of suggested mods which might affect how guns settings are applied. :yep:

By the way: which wave mod is your mod pack based on?

:yep:

My own.. I mixed it from several mods: your from DE, Sober's several versions, MadMax's etc.
If you want I can upload it for you..

:up:

My waves - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?8k3jc8bwj4csy0c

another thought:

the only way we can test the trav/elev tolerance angles at high wind speeds is ask TDW to make some fix the crew did not leave their stations.. what do you think?

EDIT: or maybe it already exists.. because with my settings the gunners at stations until the wind speed of 10-12 m/s

Thank you mate :up:

yes, settings contained in seaparameters.cfg not only affect visual waves, but they also have an impact on waves physics.

Drag, mass, etc. coefficents in U-boat's sim files also have an indirect effect on our crew leaving the deck or not.

Moreover, two other parameters in Sim.cfg might affect our sub as well as AI units:

This is why I told you tha gun specs finetuning should be done having in mind a set of "background" mods :know: