Artillery OP. :yep:

No. It just illustrates the meaninglessness of comments like yours, since words and terms in it do not have a meaning anymore, and ideas get attributed to labels at random just for giving opposition a bad name.

I have heared people claiming the sentencing of a proven criminal to be "intolerance", I have experienced to have been turned from a victim of a knife attack into an attacker and the guy trying to stab me suddenly claiming the role of a victim, I see submission being mistaken with "peace" in PC debates all the time, and now people like you are calling informed and well-founded critcism of Islam "Islamophobia", "racism" and "Nazi-extremism". The West has become an asylum for confused people that turn things around by 180°, declare "left" to be "right" and "up" to be "down", and will to be prey that is claimed by others like a farmer collects the chicken and eggs from his hens.

If people like oyu win with your views in the end, you will have won what you deserve. But you will find that what you won is not what you have expected.

You guys have seriously lost your scales and standards, because you never needed to live without the things you today take for granted: peace, freedom, reasonability, the tradition of humanism. Headlessly and because you are bored and without orientation you therefor trade them away, if only that allows you to avoid taking a stand in their defence. History will mock you, for having traded your most precious possession - freedom - for illusions and self-deceptions that made you a prey for others.

But you are the best entertained mankind there ever was - now isn't that something! :up:

No it illustrates the problems when people make silly generalisations like you do about all religions and Islam in particular.
The tripe you are spouting about the demographic timebomb, the upcoming subservience to the global consipacy, the demands that we accept their laws and submit to their notions is straight from the 1930s.
It is bollox now just as it was bollox back then.

No it is you who has slid off the scale into a despicable standard .

Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vrQS10cb0A

Skybird,

you also mentioned something about a "Nazi past". Do you have one?

No, he doesn't. :-? Is that really a question?

Well ok then. Unfortunately there are quite a few neo-nazis and other far-right people in Europe. The concept is not an abstraction as it seems to be to Americans. So I take these types of "I'm not a racist, but..."-type things with a grain of salt.

Yeah gotta love that opening line "im not racist but...." that cracks me up everytime.:rotfl2:
Way too much hysteria over Islam at the moment, As if they can actually taking over the world :haha:

1) Muslims are not even united amongst them selves and there numbers in Western countries are still in the minority by a long way.

2) Most modern Muslims have no desire to take over world or infulence political change any more than Christians or Jews do. Most of the ones ive met are more far more intrested in having a good job and a nice car.


3) How many Christians or Athiests do you know that have recenlty converted to Islam? Ive known Muslims all my life, would I convert to Islam? HELL NO!

4) So muslim extremists occassionally succeed in commiting terrorist attacks once every 5-10 years or so. But so do a zillion other non muslim terror groups accross the globe.
Anyway when was the last time you saw a Nation and its peoples will broken by terrorism?
Never, because it only suceeds in generating hate.
The realistic objective of any terrorist is to create some temporary fear and instability, but above all - stir up trouble in the hope that something bigger will kick off between governments or groups.

IMHO Even the spread of Seasonal flu is scarier.

Actually I know two people who "converted" so they could marry Muslim girls. Ever noticed how when two people from different religions get married its always the bloke who has to convert? :roll: Of course there is a difference between true conversion and just going through the motions so you can get Kama Sutra for life. ;)

I translated this from the german original by Henryk Broder, published in Die Welt today.

This silence about this asymmetry, this notorious ignorrance for the massive lack of balance between what Muslims are already allowed in the West, but stupid dhimmis and doomed infidels are prohibited in Muslim countries, is the most prominent argument why the nutcases and self-haters, the totalitarian idealists and reality-deniers give an impression of being such hilarious carricatures of reasonability and rationality. I just laugh into their self-righteous but stupid faces. As a matter of fact members from different Islamic sects are more free in the West to practice according to their faith than they are in most muslim countries, while christians and Jews in Muslim countries get constantly harassed, discriminated and reduced in numbers by making them flee. especially the last years have seen a massive spike in the exodus of christians from all Muslim countries - not just Iraq. But some funny guys take it upon them to criticise Europe for daring to defend a little bit of its cultural identity - in it's very own home, in its very own place, in its very own culture! How ridiculous and absurd that criticism is! Mockery, shame and laughter for that!

Heheh, Yeah but thats not because they decided Islam was the life for them.... just an obstical that needed to be crossed, their heart was in it for the girl only...i suspect.

I agree that it make perfect sense. (fair is fair)

The fundermental difference/problem here, is that Western societies have already offered those freedoms for decades. Islamic ruled countries do not and never have - nothing new there at all.
It is their problem not ours.
We are clamping down on those freedoms in the aftermath of some terrorist attacks.
But in doing so, we are taking a leaf out of their book and following their example of intollerence.
Not that it bothers you, Im sure.... :D

Excuse me, but what is wrong with it? That's what I can't stand, the moment one is criticising another culture one is labelled a racist. If I was a racist why do I hate Nazis? If I was a racist, why do I hang around with foreigners (Chinese, Polish, Russians, Philippines)? Why is it that I have no trouble with those guys but don't like Islam? Could it be because Islam has presented itself to me differently than the others? Could it be Islam's fault that I don't like it while not having problems with other races/cultures? HELL NO!!! Islam is nice!!! If I don't like Islam it's all my fault and I'm a f*cking Nazi/Racist/supporter of death camps etc...:roll:

Ever heard the words "long term plan"? They are already on the move here. One small step after another.

Cat Stevens now known as Yusuf Islam, Casius Clay now known as Muhamed Ali (ok, the two did not convert recently but are well known), some members of the "Sauerland Gruppe" (A terror group in Germany that was taken out before they could carry out their attacks), Some teacher over here who wanted to wear a headscarf while teaching...

I think you misunderstood the point. I don't fear so much terror attacks. It is the slow process of being pushed back and being taken over that makes me feel very uncomfortable. That is not necessarily combined with physical violence (as long as you don't stand in the way that is).

Not necessarily but it does raise questions. To me it's almost like the whole 'discussion' about muslims etc. is a ruse to take attention from the horrible debacles that are the Iraq and Afghanistan wars which have resulted in countless deaths already.

But since muslims are evil then I guess it doesn't matter if a bunch of them dies as a result of some shady wars. :roll:

Hmm. I don't think so. Here in Germany it is quite difficult to discuss the matter altogether without being called the things I already wrote. The politicians avoid the whole thing as much as they can and always just try to appease. So there is no official discussion and therefore it can't distract from the "war like situations" in Afghanistan (there is not really a war there, is it???:roll:).

Can't say I'm surprised that you would immediately begin to belittle the war in Afghanistan.