Then that'll be the SHIV guys' problem. If they dont want the SH3 community to mix with SHIV commmunity, go somewhere else. The last time I checked, Neal owns the site and calls the shots. You dont have the right to say who can come to the SHIV and who cant.

I have moderator privileges at “kickinbak” so I can manage me campaign work.
Base on you “pubic profile” here at SS, you use hotmail.com for your emails. “ANY” email from hotmail.com is banned because of “spammers”; if you wish to join us then don’t us a “general” email account like hotmail.com.

As you can see we are not out to “BAN” you

Is Gmail.com on the ban list aswell? That's the other account which is banned. But like I already said, worry not, I have no need to register atm. :up:

As much as this Forum might try to be all things to all people, it can't be. This is Neals's house. He sets the rules and selects the Moderators...not some small group of Drama Queens from the modding community who can't get along.

The vast majority of people here enjoy and respect subsim. If you don't, please feel free to leave.

That's exactly right Dowly.

But they do have the right to protest unproductive behaviors. Including yours.

Yes they have. Everyone also have the right to be unproductive if they so choose. :p

Yes "ALL" general email accounts are banned.

Take it to PM, guys.

Thanks, mate, i love it too! :yep::up:
I'm thinking about the arguing,ranting and all the other negative things that have lead to the situation beeing like it is. People going mad at each other for things like "who did what" and "who said what". I wont go as far as naming names; that wont solve anything, but i believe everyone sees that this aint doing subsim any good. Subsim has been one of the most dedicated and professional forums on the web for a long time, and this is because of the members attitude and interest for the games they love to play. Developers and modders have done their best to make the games even better, and they have all contributed in making the games survive in the changing world of computer games. They are all credited for that job, no doubt, a job they have done on their spare time, maybe missing time to be with their friends and family. We as part of this community have shared ups and downs here, from the arrival of new members and mods, to the sad loss of fellow skippers and good friends. And i don''t want to see this forum loosing it's best quality because some folks have decided to make other people's life a misery. And deep inside me, i dont think any of you will either.

The truth is just as Takeda says; The problem is that party X cannot get along with party Y and vice versa. To me, thats fine. I have no problems understanding that noone has to like the other faction. But; Respect for the other opinion should always be present. And thats the core value; Respect for your fellow mateys. You can't ask for more than that.

Why? What? When? :o

All I am saying is that if one doesnt want to share, for example, a tool he has made, for the community he doesnt have to. That what I meant by unproductive in my post. And the reasons why one wouldnt want to share his tool has already been mentioned, it might be so hard to understand/get to work by an outsider that it wouldnt be beneficial to release it.

Same goes for explaining something new, just think how much time it would take for [pick your supermod] to document and then explain everything that has been changed.

And at times the modder doesnt even necessarely know 100% what he did to get the end result. A good example being my IL2 mod that changes the fire particles of a burning aircraft to the ones IL2 uses as rocket's backfire. It was a classic case of trial and error and the process took so much time that I have no idea anymore what I exactly did to achieve the end result. :rotfl:

As a matter of fact it is. When I tried to register, I was "banned" also, until I spoke to someone who made an exception for my address (which you evidently didn't attempt to do).

Actually I did PM AVG about it here at SubSim, who in return told me to contact Sam. But like I already said twice, I dont have an urge to register there atm. ;)

I, personally, agree with the spirit of the petiton. We should all treat each other with the respect that we would require. It is too easy to forget that maxim in such an impersonal and anonymous format, such as this. I also know that we cannot change what has happened in the past, whatever that might be. All we can do now is resolve that the mistakes of the past will not be repeated in the future. If the petition helps people to take a second thought before they do, maybe it can be of some use.

/signed

Regret that it is necessary


Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

All good and well. Just remember, we're discussing what happens on SubSim.com, not kickinback.com, Politico.com, Somethingawful.com or theonion.com. Keep it on topic and put everything else in PM.

That should go for everyone, not just Dowly. Now let's go back to topic.

We were talking about what happens in SubSim.com. ;) But sorry, if I made it look like something else. That wasnt my intention. Alles Klar. :up: