See, that's what I don't get - there's all these scares about "immigrants coming in and changing laws to fit their culture", but I'm yet to see many substantive examples of that in law. Usually it's the opposite - see all the pushes to outlaw veils etc. The only two areas where I see religious law being allowed is 1) religious arbitration (e.g. allowing certain minorities to conduct things like family court, marriage and divorce, minor civil cases according to their customs); 2) education (religious schools). But those are the same rights that the religious majority has always had, or else goodbye Sunday schools and church weddings. Everything else is not law - schoolboards and government organizations might get zealous in enforcing political correctness, but fundamentally it's not law in any cases that I've seen. Things like food control/options? Purely a commercial choice - and they're controlled by voluntary business associations, not governments. I'd also remind that many other minorities have always had such organizations and pushed for similar rights in education and family law. I also remind that many foreign countries have always afforded similar rights to their minorities. If you look at Syria as it was, what you'll find is a lot of religious diversity and a complex minority picture. Many of these people are coming in precisely with that, and those most vulnerable aren't even from the dominant religion.

A lot of this is just hot air being blown by conservatives trying to instill a sense of fragility/entitlement on people that are neither fragile nor constitutionally entitled to have special protections for their collective ego.

The Islamists that would want Europe to change their laws to suit them forget one thing. Same thing the paranoid people forget.

It takes 5 elections to prepare a law, let alone pass it !!!!!!
By this rate we will have Sharia in 2487.

Weeelllll.....

That's Germany introduced "temporary" border controls and a 12 hour suspension of rail traffic between itself and Austria, in co-operation with the Austrian Government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

Mike.

Our famous bureaucratic

Which comes first Sharia-by election or as I have read now and then
- We will out-birth you just wait-postet by person with Muslim-like name(It could very well be fake-profile)

Fake or not-in 2007/8 in a Swedish or in a Danish newspaper-an article was about the different in birth rate between "our people" and refugees/immigrant-

Our own=1.6/8 Them 2.3/3.2

It is totally impossible to calculate when this could happen and if it ever will happen. There are so many factors, known and mostly unknown

Markus

^ that link clarifies things http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cps...8783_pic-3.png

I'd avoid Albania too.
It's hard having almost nothing left and then have even that stolen away from you.

I would say that the issue is not with passing the laws now, the issue is ignoring the local laws and customs and introducing a paralel legal system. Now, this should not be possible, but the fear is that the liberal crowd would preclude enforcing the local laws and customs and removing the paralel legal system should it take hold.

In my opinion such fears have very little to be based upon, however EU has to get it's policy to solve the crisis apparent moving.

That said, seeing the world burn may be most amusing.

It may be OT, but what would a prepper do, when looking at possible mass kababification of his country?

So after all the hoopala this topic has generated. It basically boils down to war sucks and as long as its not my country taking in the massive flood of asylum seekers. The host nation just needs to stop being such paranoid xenophobes, deal with it and stop complaining.

about right?

lol. Im sure 'Europe' would love to take credit for the great humanitarian aid and tolerance given to the mass of refugees entering Germany.


FLASH it has been reported by the daily fail Germany has closed its borders. Here's the chance for the rest of Europe to step up to the plate. Maybe 'Europe' could take in a couple of hundred thousand head. <crickets>

Bavaria has closed its borders, but since it is Bavaria bordering Austria it is as if Germany would have closed its borders.

It has done so for organistaion problems though, after all there were 46,000 immigrants arriving in Munich the day before the weekend, so they just did not have enough shelters, and lots of logistic problems. And winter's coming.

Closing the border cannot be the solution though. Maybe we should send some of the immigrants to the US ? After all, they are not completely innocent when it comes to the situation in the Middle east.
Yes i know, the US surely did not want the situation as it is there, but you know "the road to hell is plastered with good intentions".

So..
The root of the problem lies in the Middle East?
The root of the problem lies in the West, because we live on their oil, and our "influence" created the situation?

Anyway we will not find a solution for anything, before the ME problems are not somehow solved.
Europe can help to solve problems, but it did not create those problems, at least not alone.
And, does England belong to Europe politically, or not?
It does, but it does not want to? :hmmm:

There's some voices in the Canadian military establishment, including the former chief of defense staff Hillier, suggesting that Canada could step up and bring as many as many as 50,000 by the end of the year, with military logistics being used for the purpose. I'd say we go for it - far better and more Canadian use for our military than what they've been up to lately.

It has been stated by professional helpers working in the organised structure of aid organisations dealing with the influx, that registration and controls so far revealed that

- at least 20% of the "refugees" are being Maroccan or Algerian, coming from the socalled Levante,

- around 25-30% of the "refugees" are coming from Albania, Kosovo (the EU's Sim-City-kind of private hobby), and Bosnia Herzegovina.

The public debate in Germany less and lesser discriminates between the terms "migrant", and "refugee", however. Which is a declaration of moral and and intellectual bancrupcty. It totally destroys the meaning of the legal good named "asylum".

Merkel has gone crashdiving. The closing of the border and the state of things over here clearly indicate how dramatically she has misjudged simply everything related to this crisis: Germany, Europe, the EU - just everything.

"Hundreds of thousands" of Lebanese are reported to prepare for their leaving towards Germany, we learnt yesterday.

It'S autumn. When you look at meadows and free areals in nature, soon you can see migratory birds slowly preparing for their trip to the south. Clap your hands, or see just one bird lifting off - and the rest of the huge swarms knows no rest and no halt anymore and takes off immediately in one big rush.

You cannot take back that clap of your hands.

Just that this Völkerwanderung is from South to North.

Meanwhile, their Muslim brothers and sisters care for what really matters: the saudis have again build a tent city at Mekka, 20 square kilometers in size. High tehc tents with teflon coating and luxurious air conditioning.

Syria may suck, but the cult for stone must live on! Even better if the infidels get weakened and must pay for it.

I was casually looking up U.S. immigration statistics. I could find details about many peoples but not any from the middle east. Though there was a group called 'other' and that was about 30,000,000.

But yes we have plenty of room and choice of locations, climates and altitudes., bring'em on. But they process IAW SOP.

A person who installs wall paper. :salute:

European televisions are suffering from an awesome and relentless propaganda campaign led by government media, great media entities, and I bet anyone living in the european union can see political leading personalities preaching for a massive and global commitment to ensure safe migratory flows.

Naturally, and of course, this is not philanthropy. If people living in Europe needed to engage in philanthropy activities, well that would be good... But we do NOT need to care about migrants ! :o

Speaking about the country I live in, we already have masses living in great difficulties - homeless people, but I should mention first and foremost those millions of unemployed people, those millions of students just leaving the educational system without a job, as well as redundant workers who can't access the labour market any more, not to mention pensioners having an unstable job, etc., etc.

So we honestly have our share of misery in the country to arouse empathy and commiseration from the elites. :yeah:

However, it is obvious the education of children is not regarded as a major issue :-? - and this is certainly the case in many other countries as well - and yet, everyday everyone can notice the collapse of literacy rate in France, that is going to produce people who can't enter the production apparatus, resulting in precariousness of life, unemployment, poverty. Those people are not entitled to the empathy coming from the oligarchy right now or even before.

So, that sudden surge of media is not fortuitous, and it responds to a very precise agenda - keep that in mind. Also, very tactfully, media transfer that question from the political, geopolitical and economical points of view, to the moral one.
You don't get to hear about what's the root cause of this crisis, no one addresses accountability for that crisis, nor will you hear about social and economical consequences of that migratory invasion, nor about consequences on already existing migratory flows. No mention is made of the entire context in which this event occurs. http://oi58.tinypic.com/2emkklf.jpg
The focus is put on the moral issue http://oi61.tinypic.com/v44i9g.jpg - taken out of context, an ethereal issue - leaving only the possibility for a "yes" or "no" answer, making you feel like you'll be considered as the devil if you answer "no". :stare:

The question asked to those who live in the european union is simple, and formulated as follows : do you accept to let poor people die at the borders of the european community ?
Put that way, obviously the problem makes people feel like they have a gun to their heads, and this kind of political media coverage is done purposely.
So let's put aside that moralized media coverage psychologised to the extreme, and rather focus on the true origins of the problem, and more specifically what is at stake here.

First and foremost, we can see those who created conflicts related to that problem (syrian and libyan conflicts, destabilization of Egypt) supported Islamists actively (the Muslim Brotherhood was supported by Qatar in Egypt, and Qatar is involved with the french government and others, including the english and american ones :yep:).
Destabilization of Tunisia, destruction of Libya, destruction of Syria, here again with Al Qaida's help. Not only did the french minister for foreign affairs called for the physical destruction of Bashar Al-Assad, but he also mentioned on the al-Nosra front (a militia following Al-Qaida's principles) that they do, I quote : "a good job in the area". That was many months ago. That just shows the absolute cynicism of those who rule these days.
They supported political islamism - be it jihadist or only electioneering like in Egypt - targeting economical and geopolitical benefits.

And we see that intellectual and moral cheat : pyromaniac fire fighters dressed as judges to draw up the bill of indictment against the European population that got no role in these wars. The french minister for foreign affairs drew up the bill of indictment against Hungary - that never participated in any war of aggression against Libya or against Syria - saying it's unacceptable that Hungary does its best to control the great tidal wave of migrants, and so respects the legal process - yet Hungary is indeed expected to do that, since it needs to secure part of the external border of the Schengen area as it shares a border with Serbia.

Fundamentally, these days, the german approach shows the european union's architecture as we know it is in a headlong rush. Why does Germany seems to open its arms to that massive islamic immigration ? Of course, this is no philanthropy. People supporting wars actively - be it in the Middle-East, or even in Ukraine - are not the type of people paying much attention to the human cost of operations they conduct. Let it not be said that the primary objective of german employers is to be the exemplary student in terms of international philanthropy. Of course, it's all about immediate financial interests. This is a short term vision, because Germany, just like other European countries, experiences an extremely important demographic crisis. And this is a good short-term way to claim to be able to fill the gaps at the bottom of the earning scale - at least that's what they think.
But more fundamentally, the german reaction planning to impose - with the help of France - that muslim immigration in countries from Eastern Europe (Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Poland, Baltic countries, and others) in the name of quotas decided by Brussels, is based on a very simple idea : half of the german gross domestic product gets exported. Out of that part of the german GDP, one quarter is destined for the european union. So it is just impossible for Germany to expect its industrial production apparatus - and its income - to be maintained if the Free Trade Area collapses. As simple as that. :hmm2:

The issue of massive immigration as it is these days - that is a consequence of geopolitical activities from the united states of America and their vassals from Western Europe :) - has an immediate consequence on the Balkans, Eastern Europe, and the Free Trade Area, including Germany. And Germany, in order to save the Free Trade Area, has no other choice than to force countries from Eastern Europe to accept that immigration, as the natural reflex of countries threatened by that immigration is to resort to the exit from the Schengen area (that is indeed designed to let peoples living in the european union be able to move around their respective countries).

But what we are witnessing now is the pure and simple absence of will to repel the invasion :doh:, whether in Greece or anywhere else. This is a collective resignation, and in fact every country lets his neighbour take care of the flow of migrants.

However, Hungarians, Slovakians, Poles that gained independence from the USSR tutelage and chose to defend their own culture and their freedom, certainly do not want to succumb to the influence of a system using coercion to maintain the german production equipment :smug:. The german blackmail - as well as the french one - consisting in saying things like "become a Muslim, become an African so that we can maintain our industry and our finance system", countries like Hungary are not going to accept that, nor Slovakia, nor any of the Eastern countries. They're not going to accept to abdicate their national character, their identity, so that benefits of german and french big employers can be kept afloat. That is impossible.

Therefore, the question of the €uro, and the question of the Free Trade Area the way it is constituted these days, are fundamentally threatened by that massive immigration jumping into the european union.
Obviously, the smart position of Germany should have been to repel massive immigration, whatever the means used, including the military force. Yet those countries from Western Europe, being culturally destroyed, and having acceded to an anti-culture :hmm2: consisting in cultural marxism, anti-racism, internationalism, as well as that simple idea that Europe is an open area where anyone can come and settle anywhere, no matter the religion, skin colour, etc. , disregarding History, is an anti-historic vision that countries from Eastern and Central Europe do not share. Those countries are aware of what they are, they know where they come from, they know what it costed them to maintain themselves as countries and peoples, and those nationalities are not going to dismiss themselves to please oligarchs and bourgeoisies from Paris, Berlin, Munich, or Frankfurt for example, not to mention London. That is an impossibility, one needs to fully understand that. :ping:

And behind that... There is the NATO question.
If the european union collapses economically and politically (in particular through the return of national borders in many countries), the NATO implosion is going to start. And Russia can see that. That country most probably intends to dismantle that structure threatening its borders. So a lot is at stake. :hmm2:

Let's speak about an existential issue, that was indeed the first problem of the european union on the day it was created. In all likelihood, no European nation is against the european union if it ever had been really European. Yet the word "European" is one too many in "european union". It's never been an European union in the cultural, civilizational, racial, and spiritual senses of the word. It's an artificial construction, getting more and more jacobin, authoritarian, centralistic, and rootless, a construction that got communist or socialist principles, so to speak, as funding principles. Principles like the one pretending that to be European, race and culture don't matter. That is an historical impossibility :yep:. And even in affected countries of Western Europe, populations rise up more and more against that derealized vision from elites governing the european union and governments from its member states.

May be some headlong rush from authorities from Western Europe, people who adhere to the atlanticist vision, people supporting employers from Western Europe (radically german)... And we may well be driving towards the collapse of that structure in the end, exactly like the USSR some time ago. And basically, the response from the elite/oligarchy can be nothing but coercive (that explains tougher security laws, and the threatening rhetoric toward populations, especially when it comes to immigration). Taking in consideration our politics these days (french president, prime ministers from countries concerned), there's way to feel like people are considered as enemies - see how you're talked to by authorities, what we handle in here sounds like a constant accusation of the french population that is kind of monitored... Looks very much like it's not going to lead to something good...

Naturally, that situation calls for a resistance. Everyday one can take notice of the divorce between populations - abandoned by their political leaders - and the great solidarity between the whole state apparatus and subsidised associations and government media constantly favouring foreigners.
It's just fascinating to see how much authorities and their pseudo-representatives loath their own population, how much they have absolutely no empathy for their own people, obviously shown through that great support they bring to foreigners they know nothing about, and who're going to threaten ourselves very soon, since we're facing a demographic transformation absolutely considerable.

It only takes a few

Some of my FB-friends say there ain't no such thing as moderate Muslims

I disagree. I do know there are a few radical Muslim among them, that doesn't make every one radical

But it only takes a few of these to keep the other 95-98 % in a short line and our own left wings are protecting these Islams, by down-talking ordinary people who are saying this.

It does happen on occasion some newspaper in Denmark or Sweden have some article about some group of these Islams walking around in the neighborhood and controlling other Muslims, see if they are living as Muhammad told them.

Oh it does happen some brave Muslim goes against them. From that day on, they live under content protection. From their own religion, they receive death threat, from the right wing people in the country where they live-an accusation that they are lying and from left wing they get a "Now-come-on- you are overdoing it"

Markus

^ On my lastest post ?

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