May sound a touch heartless but I think it was to be expected under the circumstances surrounding an intimate relationship.

You know Texas is always talking about leaving the Union.

Well, I have no current objections. You can go now Texas. G'bye y'all.

QUICK! SEAL THE BORDER!!! THROW UP THE ROAD BLOCKS!!!

whew! That was close.

Too late old boy, too late.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29632433

The latest case flew from Ohio the day before she showed symptoms.

In the United States there is no constitutional provision for a state to leave the union. It's like the Hotel California "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"

I'm no expert, but common sense would tell me to postpone any travel until after the incubation period had passed. :dead: According to the CDC, she had a temperature of 99.5 at the time of her flight, which means she wouldn't have been very contagious. Still, the agency is asking the 132 passengers on the flight to call-in.

It sounds like the hospital really dropped the ball and the CDC should have removed the patient using their own people to one of the 4 facilities it has rated for this type of containment.

Two things about the hospital. Upon Duncan's actual admittance he was left in a non-quarantined room for several hours and possibly in an X-ray lab as well, not sure if this was the same room. They also used their internal transportation system to move his samples about, this is a pneumatic tube system similar to a drive up bank window from what I can gather.

Wall Street is really taking this news on the chin. There has been a huge sell-off in airline and travel stocks.

Wall Street has always had a glass chin, the first whiff of problems and the lemmings start selling. :/\\!! Admittedly most of it is computerised lemmings now, which makes you wonder if one day we might find ourselves in a feedback loop where the computers just don't stop selling. That would make 1929 look like a fart in a swimming pool.

Anyway, economics aside, I think you're right in that the hospital has really dropped the ball...I can't exactly say this from a position of moral authority because we had our own scare a few days ago in a London hospital where a suspected Ebola patient was allowed to use a communal toilet and kitchen. Thankfully it turned out to be a false alarm, but hopefully a needed wake-up call.

I think in the American case it comes back to the point that vienna brought up in post #98 in that the CDC only has a certain amount of power at the federal level and there's a whole load of bureaucratic problems related to the desire of each individual US state to have the maximum amount of autonomy from Washington, and that includes government agencies such as the CDC. The American fear of big government is a potential exacerbation point in a disease outbreak.

I think another thing they overlooked when making their rosy predictions about sanitary and health conditions in a first world country was how quickly and far people can travel here on a moments notice. Putting many miles behind you is a lot easier here than in Africa.

The good news is that Duncan's family who shared the Dallas area apartment with him have shown no sign of contagion yet. Still one week of quarantine to go.

Here are some thoughts and I'm absolutely no expert on this, so I could be very wrong.

There are so many nurses and doctors that got this Ebola and so far we have been told they have done something wrong during the procedure.

If it only was a few it could well be so, but so many !?

One of my Danish friend on FB is a Doctor and she's a part of some crisis team if a person with Ebola should enter Denmark.

Been telling her that it must be some type of "camp" for the doctors, nurses a.s.o. Meaning when a nurse or a doctor, have done their jobs, let say have been working for 14 days or 1 month, this nurse or doctor has to be at this camp for at least 30 days.

Markus

CDC now reports she knowingly flew with a low grade fever. This is what I'm talking about, ebola is predictable it is treatable and should be easily contained. But there has to be a common protocol developed it is not rocket science or high math.

GRIM Humor Attempt? :o http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733122/Ebola-outbreak-sweeping-West-Africa-started-two-year-old-boy-infected-fruit-bat-say-researchers.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/...loured_Fru.jpg "Scientists have long believed that bats are the main carriers for the disease but it is rare for them to pass it on to man.
Most of the previous outbreaks have been caused by meat from dead infected animals collected by hunters who then sell it on.
Fruit bats, however, are widely eaten in rural west Africa – either smoked, grilled or in a spicy soup."

Oh Great!! I was less then 16 miles from the Cleveland airport Monday.
:o

Ebola got real close, real fast!!

Agreed....common but stringent protocol that is enforced rigidly.

A pandemic of fear thanks to some in the media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/an-epidemic-of-fear-and-anxiety-hits-americans-amid-ebola-outbreak/2014/10/15/0760fb96-54a8-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html?hpid=z1

Quote:

Across the country, workers and travelers took symbolic safety steps, wearing sanitary masks or lathering with hand sanitizer. Airline stocks fell as investors bet on a slowdown in travel due to Ebola concerns. Children living near Washington Dulles International Airport told a psychologist about their fears of contracting the disease.Though Ebola's dangers are real and terrifying, epidemiologists and other authorities say that, for now, its greatest mark could be on the psyche of the country where other health threats are more perilous.

Quote:

Last week, 200 airline cabin cleaners refused to report for work at LaGuardia Airport in New York, saying they did not have sufficient protection. Michael Oberschneider, founder and director of Ashburn Psychological and Psychiatric Services, in Ashburn, Va., said that some of his child and teen patients have said they are fearful of visiting Texas or going to Dulles Airport, both of which they view as potential danger spots. Many of these kids are bringing up Ebola at the start of the session,� Oberschneider said. And I'll ask them, did you talk about it at school? They say, No, no, no. I just saw it on CNN.

FYI I DO NOT ENDORSE ANY NEWS OUTLET OVER ANOTHER.

But there does seem to be atleast one who is willing to tell the truth about Ebola.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

As pointed out before, the main problem still is the retention of jurisdiction by local health authorities rather than a single, unified oversight. The CDC is restricted in the same manner as the FBI; the FBI cannot enter into a local LEO case unless it is requested to do so by the local agency; so to with the CDC. Authority over local cases is held by local health agencies or hospitals, resulting in a hodge-podge of protocols and treatment regimens. Add in the widely differing levels of medical knowledge, abilities, and facilities and you have a right mess. Even when the CDC does issue recommended protocols, the locals are not bound legally to adhere to the recommendations. So what we have is what we have now: a hospital in Dallas trying desperately to cover its collective asses, lax supervision of the comings and goings of possible viral carriers, and increasing public unease. Currently, in the US, there are only 5 (five) facilities fully capable of handling Ebola cases and most of these are located rather a distance from heavily populated cities and/or areas thus increasing the level of difficulty in dealing with a possible mass outbreak. It is no coincidence the second nurse with Ebola was taken to a CDC facility rather than being left in the rather lax care of the Dallas hospital...


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