Hopefully aliens will come soon abd save us.:haha:

As long as those who call loudest for it are stoned first.

I tried to, honestly I did.:O: I caught the drift well enough.

I would agree but change 'politicians' to 'some politicians'. And perhaps that's what you mean. Other wise it is a total conspiracy rather than a system that can be and has been abused. No system set up by humans can be perfect.

I believe the right word is aquaphobic.:know:

True . Stating that water is wet is stating the truth. The phobia comes after that if you let it.

I agree. Things would probably be a lot better if all the world's leaders were stoned.









Wait. Are we talking about the same thing? :O:

Your some people are only a few - the rest of the tribes or nations is just under influence of these few.
It's not nations who declare war. It's governments - or even better certain individuals of the government and those behind and close to them.

Mrs. Nash from Kentucky doesn't care about Mr Rahlamahni in Isfahan.
She doesn't know him and is not interested in any war. She wants do raise her kids and have some fun with the community. She stays kinda innocennt - just like Mr Rahlamahni in Isfahan.


It's a few persons deciding about the fate of millions. That's plain wrong - as it allways was. There is no tradition to justify it.

With the small groups of hunters running over the plains, there was a pow-wow about what to do for every important decision. Everybody was entitled to participate. The wisest suggestion was commonly supported and everybody felt part of it.
That's a superb idea of working democracy.

But our social groups were growing and we adapted the wolf pack constellation to be the ultimative form of society. Just because the alpha wolves did profit and they managed to convince that anybody can be an alpha wolf. Sure - but not everybody!

And we still grow our social groups - from regions to sates, to nations, to the global community. And still we want to believe the wolf pack is the appropriate system.
Watch nature and learn how large groups of mammals are organized.

The communist insect state is not the right sytem. We are no insects.
But the herd - the flock - is the system to copy. Resources are shared, the young are cared for by the whole group, the wolves and lions are enemies. The leader shares the hunger and the excess as the fate of the community.

Funny - but that's how it works among the alpha wolves. They share the cake and tell the rest of the pack they still fight for dominance.

It takes 90 fearsome sheep to have 10 happy wolves.
If you want to have 90 happy sheep, you have to get rid of the wolves.



The accumulation of money in the hands of that person enables the lonely decision.

You've probably seen it before, but this is a better example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

Unfortunately there are so many nutcases all over the world who are led by all kinds of other nutcases who care.
Thats the reason why mrs Nash or Rahlamahni may suffer ... and at times want to see blood.

There is enough poison(ideologies) or pseudo intellectual ideas for everyone to swallow , even in the internet age or due to the internet age this very forum may be proof to that in some cases.
So please don't just blame the leaders :03:.

Yes this is common knowledge. Very few people are responsible for very much misery.

I don't think it matters who declared war. The real question is why. And we know why. Greed, racial hatred, territory, past animosity etc. etc. Nothing has changed except the technology to do it more efficiently. The problem is the human being.

I'm afraid there is. Thousands of years of it.

I would have to disagree. I doubt very much if it was like that. More likely the strongest and wisest ones in the group told the weakest and dumbest ones in the group what to do. It was a matter of self preservation. Groups that took a vote probably didn't last long. The alpha wolves probably kept the other wolves alive.

Any suggestions?:hmmm:

To me Snowden is as much a traitor as the day is long, he's the one who decided to take off to China of all places w/ all kinds of intel goodies in his bag. An its been said that some of the things he's discussed he wasnt cleared for in the first place. It wasnt like he got the job to help keep the US safe, he admitted he got the job on purpose to dig up stuff to leak he went in with an agenda an most likely hacked his way to things he wasnt cleared for. Then instead of taking his punishment on the chin like a man he runs to China then Russia, Nelson mandella wasnt scared to go heads up with the apartheid government an sit in prison for years. An we all know he went to China an Russia because he knew they would be interested in what he had especially China who is constantly getting caught trying to hack into different parts of our government. So this guy went from a "leaker" to traitor since he had it in his mind to trade American classified intel to ppl who should definitely not have it, what would happen if the Chinese were able to say hack an shut down our power grid or something along that line an it was because of what he gave them for a plane ticket dude is a coward

You know what we need in this country? More coffee and less kool-aid.

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What about try and error?

Don't fight the systems opposite to ours, don't destroy their economy with trading sanctions - just to show how miserable their system is.

Live and let live.

Our running "democratic" systems have to be changed in several aspects:
Transparency is absolutly necessary, the acceptance of true resposibility and its consequences for the mighty, abuse of power and control has to be penalized harshly (including corruption and nepotism), power and control has to be decentralized - not concentrated on the few from above ^^, influence of big money has to be minimized (You are rich? Then sail your yacht, enjoy the sun and stfu!), democracy has to meet the requirements (at least fateful decisions only by the people themselves), effects of laws and rules have to be evaluated and the laws corrected or thrown over board if necessary,
politicians should work for the benefit of the people, not for the benefit of their party,
a minimum tax has to be established for the apples, microsofts and amazons - these global players trying to slip away everywhere, jobs for a superior benefit of the society have to be paid accordingly (nurses, policemen, firefighters...), jobs like analysing the wall street should be paid more realistic.

Plus I'd like to see some of the theories for negative income tax, unconditional basic income or Silvio Gsell's Freiwirtschaft to be tried open minded.
To be supported, not to be faught.

The ultimate goal must be a peaceful planet, with happy, free and safe citizens, well fed, well educated and of noble mind. A global society worth to convey our children.

The only problem is - the wealthy fear this and they fight it by all means.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23138073

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rGiLB5gm80.../s1600/Cat.jpg

http://rt.com/news/edward-service-im...n-russian-493/

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