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Oooops! Somebody played foul there.

But that can be helped:

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6000 years ago, the Lord said: "Let there be light".

A slightly confused caveman who had evolved through natural selection looked around, seing nothing said: "OK", he struck a piece of flint with an iron pyrite nodule, and started a fire.

The Lord looked at the fire, and said: "It is good."

The caveman looked back and said: "WE've been doing this for 50,000 years, are you not a bit late?"

And the Lord looked confused, he said: "Where did you come from, how did you get here without a creator?"

And the caveman looked back and said: "I was about to ask you the same question."

Was that divine retribution?

I think the responsible divine entity just responded to the numerous "please deliver us from the drivel" prayers suddenly originating from Subsim.

Some might say...Amen.

I doubt science will ever be able to prove origin of life, because first cause is scientifically impossible to find. Yes, they're a few theories saying something can be created from nothing, but nothing" doesn't exist, as even empty space has particles, energy, etc.. The problem is each time we figure an energy or life source out, we're left with another one to figure out...cause and effect. Right now, our laws require a first cause, but a first cause is impossible by current science, that's a big problem.

Many scientist believe in God out of logic, that if within our physical laws it's impossible to ever prove origin of life, then we should consider another source outside physical law.

Religion always demands perfect proof from science, feeling triumphant if science does not give that, just "another theory". :hmph:

For some reason, religion never demands perfect proof for its own claims. :hmmm:

Hah, good point. But then again, that's the definition of religion: faith in the unseen without the need for proof.

Sometimes I want to debate Creationists the way they debate us -- "don't insult/bully me by attacking evolution! It's my faith! It doesn't require evidence!".

Don't think they would get the point, though.

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Expelled! No evolution allowed!

Many years ago I postulated my own theory on that. One day God decided to tell the world how he came to create the universe. He picked a random shepherd. Why he didn't pick the head of a major city-state, I don't know. Maybe he didn't like any of them. We'll call this random shepherd "Abraham" (or "Moses" if you like). So anyway, one day God appears to this guy, and says he wants to tell him how it was done. But God has a problem. This shepherd (or the most advanced learned man of the time) isn't going to understand quantum physics or string theory. Heck, I don't understand them and I have the benefit of thousands of years of developed science. So God decides to show him instead, filling his head with images of the Big Bang. Abraham sees this and scratches his head, then writes "God said 'Let there be light!' And there was light."

I have to say, the big bang theory is one theory that I think is utter rubbish and am extremely skeptical of. Sheldon is ok though (figured I would preempt you all).

Seriously though, bang and the universe was flung into existence? Before there wasn't even nothing, as the big bang even created the vacuum of space and space itself. Otherwise the universe couldn't be "expanding". There are so many gigantic flaws in the theory it isn't funny. Ironically I think it is just another creationist "theory".

I have believed to a long time that the Bible and other religious texts make a lot more sense if you see them as just as a collection of stories designed to teach a moral.

As far as I know, there is 0 evidence that contradicts evolution, as well as 0 evidence for or against the existence of entities that somehow exist outside physical reality. As the existing outside physical reality is a prerequisite for the idea of a creator god, it is completely unfalsifiable and therefore definitely not to be given elevated status above idle speculation, until a method of testing the hypothesis is hypothesised. Lets be fair, since all you have to do to achieve religion is simply believe in one or more of the 28 million or so gods hypothesised by humans in recorded history, all of which are unfalsifiable this speculation is intellectually idle unlike String/M theory, while it is clearly not 'idle' it is certainly still 'speculation' and nothing more.

@thread contributors

And if people want to post in GT to make jokes, or poke fun, however bad taste, as long as it does not contravene the site rules, where is the problem? Those crying out about hating are hating on people who like to have a laugh once in a while. Religious folks rarely realise the offense that their platitudes often cause, the insinuations of immorality or hubris, neither do they attenuate their regurgitation of scriptures (antiquated propaganda) to spare our feelings, so why on earth should we spare theirs? my skin is thick enough, you can laugh at my expense and I will feel happy that you find it amusing.

@those who are religious

Smells like the age old appeal for special treatment wherever religion is concerned to me. Not buying I'm afraid, not now, and not ever. You take your scrapes with the rest of us, be an adult (if you are able) and deal with it. This crying foul whenever someone makes a joke about ID, creationism, God, your religion, another religion is a detestable result of people pandering to your demand that whatever it is be placed on a pedestal of immunity against scientific scrutiny above all, but humour as well?

I think you missed your stop.

Like if god commands it you should murder your own child?