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Originally Posted by aergistal (Post 1382895)

And you have missed the point. Software piracy is a reality, it doesn't go away when you close your eyes nor does it cease to exists if you don't mention it for a while. And when pirates have it easier than legal users, then we have a problem.

I will edit my post to remove any reference. If you have further notifications please do use a private message.

I'm sorry if you feel chastised, but those are the site rules.

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Originally Posted by thyro (Post 1382779)

Indeed I do feel you are trolling again. Not happy with a thread/post simply don't read and skip it altogether. Otherwise you could getbetter live doing something useful for change.

No har feelings but was necessary to be said.

Beside SH5 has good potential but still is long away to be finished and not everyone can play it simply because of the only online requirement. Therefore other posters are welcome to post if even venting frustration like you somethimes do. So defining someone you dislike as troll, remeber you/others that think like you aren't much better trolls either. Cheers

I'm assuming that you've not actually read this thread. Had you done you would have seen my input into it was not trolling at all. In fact I was part of the discussion.

Perhaps you should read the whole thread now and see what you think;)

I'm not sure how this has wandered back into the DRM arena again. It's never been my intention to state that I'd decided neither to purchase nor own SH5 because of DRM. That's not to say I'm happy with how Ubisoft has chosen to implement that, because I'm not. But if that was my only 'beef' about SH5, I'd be playing it as we speak and, in fact, would never have posted at all.

The general 'pro' consensus I seem to be seeing is (and please excuse my paraphrasing here) that, yes, SH5 does have a few warts and hiccups, but that once the next patch is released and once our modders have a chance to sink their teeth into things, SH5 will excel.

You know what? I agree. I only have to compare stock SHIII to what is available now to see that happening.

But here's the thing. Look at it from the other side of the window. Ubisoft has released a majorly flawed product with the (apparant) expectation that our community will provide the necessary overall to their product to bring it up to its potential. Eh?

Now since the only PC game I truly play is SHIII (my flight sims --Red Baron II, WWII Fighters and Janes F-18 are more now-and-again playtime for me) I honestly cannot answer the following question: how many other PC simulations are released half-finished, and dependant upon modders to complete them?

And our modders will be crippled here just as they were with SHIII, for we are unable to modify anything dealing with the source code.

The choice I had was to purchase, or take a 'wait-and-see' position, or to not purchase, a half-finished product, one that took a major departure from what I had been expecting (which, granted, may not mean a lot; after all, SHIII was a major departure from prior games) and wasn't at all complete.

I don't feel that supporting, or subsidizing, shoddy work is helpful, especially when it supports the attitude of "Ah, who cares, the community will finish it for us.".

And yes, I agree that submarine simulations are a niche market. But by my last count there's slightly more than 49,000 registered members here alone. I have no idea how many casual guests drop in who are also interested in this 'niche'. I realize that not all of us are strictly subsimmers, but that still seems to be a pretty substantial client base to me.

Owning a boat is a 'niche market' too; just ask anyone that's had to buy marine-grade hardware. A five-cent screw from Home Depot is prolly a $5 one for a boat! And as I had stated before, I would have been willing to pay at least US$200 for a properly-working and finished SH5. I'm not sure how many else here would be willing to cough up that much dough, but I suspect that no few of us 'nichers' would have done so, if we were positive that the product was up to snuff and worth every penny.

I recommend buying a PS3 game instead.. or saving for a new sim.

SH5 is tres pas bon...

If you want to buy it, wait till DRM is off, and the game is like patched 4 times..

They release buggy stuff at first since they dont work till the deadline is REALLY close, wrap it up and produce the eye candy, and then TORPEDO IMPACT..

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Originally Posted by ddrgn (Post 1382408)

I am sorry, is this the best you can do?....

Why not make a super thread for all the hater comments, something you guys can actually keep updated. Keep our forum a little cleaner, so people coming for information can find how to play SH5, where to find mods, updates about the game they are "playing". Instead of finding all this crap that you guys are letting continue here.

I believe everyone has an opinion and I certainly don't promote censoring or closing threads.So with all the admins intent on making this place the shining example of how internet etiquette should be, instead of the mess that that you have let this place become, maybe show a little bit of support for the game and the players. Update the MOD and stickied threads, keep the forums clean for the new guys/gals.

Check my statistics, I am usually, (before SH5) a quiet reserved guy. Lately I am annoyed at how much you guys have let this place slide. So I am not gonna sit here and let people that do not even own the game rant about how crap it is, I don't care if my egg shell dance will get harder, I don't care which person I piss off. I am defending a fine piece of software, which will surpass what SH3 ever was in no time..

Don't mistake yourselves here, this is a battle and if you come over to this side of the forum, from the peaceful general topics and introduce yourself threads, I am sorry but you will see pissed off and annoyed people speaking out of turn and spiting each other. This is the fallout from the DRM issue, that is all it is... Don't be confused on that one either DRM is here to stay so it is a dead issue....

But, I will not let a few negative threads be the end all and tell all to this game. If you post negative about the game, back it up with feedback and let some of us have a crack at fixing it before "returning" your copy to best buy. If you post negatively and you can't back it up, expect players enjoying the game to let you know your wrong....

Let us players have what the SH4 players had, a chance to make this a great game with the support of a fine community and an even greater forum. Let us have that at least.

Maybe the old hats have gotten a little too old for this kind of work. no? yes?

No, the best I can do is lock the forum and start brigging people left and right. Instead, I used the Happy Squirrel, a signal that we should all try to get along, lest I be forced to lock the thread. I think that is a much nicer way to get people's attention, don't you?

That being said, this thread has outlived it's usefulness, which was dubious to begin with. Time to open the seacocks.

The Management

PS Peaceful General Topics? You must be new. That place is like thunderdome: There are no rules.