I love this thread, it's almost like the reason we're in this mess is the fault of Cameron et al and not the previous administration.

I'm not saying the Tories are handling things well, but BLiar and Brown (and even the fall guy - Darling) are those responsible for us being here in the first place.

2,500 replies of me scrolling past this thread, time to have a look-see.

It's hilarious watching Cameron try to wrangle the right-wing Eurosceptics before the European elections.
Saw Hague today on the BBC scoffing at the idea of changing the relationship with the EU, mostly on grounds of plausibility. What a high-wire act for the leadership, Farage must be loving it.

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"Oh indeed I am my dear fellow"

Looks like it isn't only the poor who are facing the daily struggle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25723682

What's this guff I hear about Mr Ponzi giving £7p.h. the thumbs up? After checking into this the press seem to have slanted it as to suggest it will happen. Really?...Have the press forgot last Autumn the Libs tried to push for a rise and was blocked by the Cons. Clearly this is another stunt as we head for the general election next year, just to add company's came out with the same old statements no we can not and if forced on to us laying off workers will happen.

Moving on to Ed M...

I see after his speech £1 billion was wiped off the banks on the stock market what a suprice...NOT! Followed by the usual carping on BS and who the hell wrecked the economy with their wreckless ways and had to be bailed out the bleeding banks thats who!

Money makes money and always will.

LOL...Farage as clueless as Cameron perhaps?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigel-farag...aigned-1433574

UKIP policies are not UKIP policies.
Well that's nice and clear.

I like how he later said that they will stand for election without any policies, a distinctly novel approach.:rotfl2:

Still I suppose it's a nice follow on from last weeks sequence about the weather armagaydeon they put out.
We defend his freedom of speech.
He had better shut up.
Its all a media conspiracy.
He is just a nut who used to be a Tory

Well that's another turn up for Farange.
He knows nothing of the parties policies which he now describes as "nonsense" and "drivel".
Yet he launched the document wrote a summary of the document and spoke about the policies which it contained when he was campaigning for those pieces of nonsense and drivel he now knows nothing about.
What a muppet:rotfl2:

No surprises here then...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25894312

I think all manifestos are bull anyway, 9 times out of 10 who ever comes to power back tracks or dumps or makes changes to what they promised. The age of the manifesto is over.

I always thought The Shawshank Redemption was a bit far-fetched.

An innocent banker?

When I visited Britain, I had the time of my life and hope I get to go back someday. However, since the end of WW2, countries are losing their identities and sovereignty due to open-door social policies.

When I was walking through London, as a historian, I was in awe at the beauty and history of this very place that was under my feet. However, when I turn the corner and see Palestinians with bullhorns chanting death to America and Israel, and showing a general discontent towards Westerners including those who brought them in, I'm just dumbfounded. When I was in Israel, I saw the same thing.

I will NEVER again set foot in France because of the way those people are and have become. The EU and the UN are both ensuring that Europe and the world at large become some sort of anti-Conservative, secular, social paradise that will create chaos in which the status quo will sweep to (Hollande) or consolidate power as a result of the vacuum.

Here in the US, we are currently dealing with the most damaging and destructive administration since Roosevelt and Wilson practicing the same ideals. It's really disgusting what this country and other civilized countries are turning into. There's few exceptions.

I blame Steed mainly, mainly because he's Gordon Brown's....friend. The stories are epic. Since you're new to the subsimz, here's what steed looks like:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...harles-008.jpg

This photo was taken after the make-over. In this particular photo, Steed had glued his hand to his head. He's okay now, but it took a lot of nail polish to remove the glue.

But Steed is a nice chap though, kind of the subsim mascot.

And a little known secret, Steed is a closet Tory, no foolin.:D He may wear the sickle and hammer knickers, but it's just for show.

If you want a pro conservative anti secular state have you considered moving to Iran or Saudi?
I would avoid the USA if I was you though as that has been secular since 1791, and they reinforced it in 1868 just in case anyone hadn't got the original memo.

Western 'civilized' Conservatism is a far cry from the the Saudi and Iranian conservative (religious), intolerant Islam that controls every aspect of people's lives and has absolutely no tolerance for anything but. Those systems are borderline fascist. Conservatism in this country, and that I support much like the 'Tea Party' anti-establishment, pro-individualist group, champions folks being left alone to pursue life on their own. Economies are built on the smallest cogs, such as small businesses and entrepreneurship. When you tax those out of existence and create an unfavorable business atmosphere, then it's all going to come crashing down at some point. It may take years or decades, but it will happen. That's why socialism has been shown to be such a failed system. Because it is. When you create a system where you try to ensure everybody wins, well it's been proven that more will end up losing than women.

Capitalism, like it or not, IS a system of winners and losers. If you want to succeed? Work hard and be driven. When politicians create environments where the citizen is perpetually dependent on the government because there's not more choice or competition, then that maintains the status quo.

Conservatives, in my view, have faith in people. Liberals, again in my view, place their faith in others and government to do what's best for them. That's a dangerous concept.

The US has been secular for about the last 40 years of the post-Vietnam era, and the rise of modern hippie Liberalism which, as such is the reason why this country is going right down the toilet.

Side note: It says you live in Ireland, I was entertaining the idea of coming for my honeymoon. Any suggestions on what would be a good place? Thank you.

Unfortunately it is what tends to happen when the certainties of faith and conservatism unite in power.

Sorry, the constitution sets it as a secular state. That's a little bit more than 40 years ago.

Well it depends what you want.
Bias would of course say Galway. Town and its surrounding county do have most things people look for, apart from sun but people don't go to Ireland for the weather so any sun you do get is a real bonus.
Dublin in my opinion is just an expensive version of London with a different accent.
Emigration and recession have made the Midlands pretty dull overall, but there are still some great spots.
Ideally I would say tour the west coast, do Cork to Donegal if you have the time, stopping wherever takes your fancy or fitting it round local interests or activities.
I have tried it a few times, but starting in the north or South I never managed to get to the opposite end even when I have taken a month off work as there are always spots that hold you longer than you intend or realise.
The offshore islands are a must, but I would avoid the Arans as they are just too touristy nowadays.
Are there any particular activities, sports or interests you have in mind ?

Fundamentalist societies are right there on par with totalitarian societies because there's no deviation from what Big Brother wishes for you. I'm not the most religious man in the world by any means, but I do believe that Jesus' message is the simplest, most practical one for people to live by. But that's for a different discussion.

Secular Constitutionally, yes. But popularly, no. After Vietnam, most traditionalist American values went the way of the dodo. Wilson started this decline into the abyss, Roosevelt perfected it, and Vietnam was the final nail in the coffin.

My girlfriend is an avid soccer (....footballer) player, so I think she'd enjoy going to a match. I'm not up on futbol, so who are the major Irish clubs? And my sincere thank you for your suggestions. I always wanted to walk down the river Shannon.

Good question. Are there any?
There is no shortage of teams, but are any of them major?

Ambitious, the lakes make it much longer walk than than its length, the floodplain is often flooded and the extensive boglands are best avoided unless you know them.
Floating the Shannon may be a better choice, plenty of marinas to hire cruisers or sailboats from, or there is a option to canoe it and use tents and B&Bs for the overnights.
The canoe option allows you to get past Ardnacrusha and do the whole river

That's where you come in! :up:


That sounds even more ideal. How is Irish attitude towards Americans?